Any reason why this cam isn't more popular? I just did a search and their is only one really good thread about it.

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...c+cadillac+cam

I'm looking for a cam that will sound dead stock with a set of ported heads and mid length headers. Does anyone have first hand experience with this cam and can verify the results?



Rebs

 

Holy crap! That was way back in 2003! I wonder if anyone is or has been running that cam since then.

 

No, but if you want an emissions legal, stock sounding setup I would suggest LPE's heads/cam package. Very similar "RV" cam. I used this combo with Edelbrock 1 5/8" shorties through the stock Y-pipe with cats and put down 350rwhp/350rwtq. Car ran consistent 12.6 @ 110 w/ a 1.9 60' and weighed 3750 and was ran at a ~700ft. elevation track.

 

Just out of curiosity, do you happen to remember the ballpark flow #'s for those heads? Were they LE1, LE2, etc. equivalent?

 

Why don't you do a Crane 227 (210/224 .510/.554 112LSA)? The sound clips I've heard from it sound pretty close to stock, and you get good power.

 

What makes the LPE cams so nice (referring to the 211/219 and the 219/219) are the small duration with bigger lifts...I keep saying how well the LT1s respond to these types of cams...The 211/219 is .533/.560" lift and the 219/219 is .560"/.560" both on 112 lsas...I ran the 211/219 for years in my 383 and went 11.90s @ 115 with it...Both have great, near stock idles with terrific drivability, mpg's, pass emissions, etc, etc....

...As far as what their heads flow, all I can say is to call them and ask...After seeing their set up first hand they do some quality CNC work and very nice hand finishing with top dollar parts...I'm still running the same valve springs they installed in 1995!!!

--Alan

 

I have no idea what the LT1's flow, but the LT4's I have are a CNC port and LPE claims a flow of 276cfm @ .600. Don't recall what the exhaust side was. I never received a flow sheet from them. People who buy their products are the type that don't care about that kind of crap as well as LPE wanting to keep them "sooper secret" I would imagine.
LPE claims only a 10hp difference between the LT4/LT1 heads when paired with the 211/219 cam.
I will be using these LPE heads with my new SR 396 build as is. We'll see if they can support some power or not.

Edit:
Here are the specs I received from LPE

276/213 @ .600
202cc/80cc- port volume
60.5 CC cmbstn chmbrs

 

By the way, if anybody is looking for a good laugh, call Speed Inc. and ask them about this cam.

 

Why is that? Exaggerated numbers? Who did you talk to?

 

The guy I spoke to was "John." The reason I say this is funny is because he basically plead the 5th on everything I asked him. When I asked him for the specs, without so much as a pause with the sound of a mouse clicking to check an inventory database or the sound of papers shuffling in the background, he simply says "I don't know." Not, "I don't know, but lemme find out from so-and-so," but instead it was more like, "I don't know.....next question please."

When I asked him if he could at least tell me what kind've baseline numbers I could expect, his reply was, "I couldn't tell ya. Our dyno simulation program has been broken for over a year." (The simple fact that the front page of their website boasts them as being "the leader in the Midwest for LS1 and LT1 Dyno Tuning " made that comment priceless.)

I finally just asked him, "Well do you know of any way I could find out more info about this cam?," to which he replied, "You should be able to find the answers you're looking for on cz28.com." It was at that point that it became prevalent that the whole conversation had been tongue-in-cheek on his part.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing them in the least. Speed Inc. is a reputable company that has a solid product line, and the technicians they have working for them know their stuff. That being said, I'm pretty confident in the assumption that the display of total cluelessness on the part of "John" was just an act.

I'll just say this: the 2003 thread that introduced this cam makes it seem almost too good to be true. But given the fact that the place it comes from has their own in-house dyno, and the ability to custom grind their own cams, and a case could be made that if somebody had enough time on their hands coupled with the will to do it, anything's possible.

 

I don't believe they have the equipment to grind cams. And I do find it a shame that you couldn't get a better answer than that. I don't remember the #s but when Larry and I where talking they seemed pretty impressive. This was a couple of years ago.
This time of year they are pretty busy. It usually takes 6 to 8 weeks to get your car in for work. I'm not making excuses for them, but maybe you caught them at a bad time. It's amazing how many cars go through that place, including mine. Like you said, they do good work. And what I like, is the fact that if something doesn't go exactly as planned, they are willing to work with you and get the car back in as soon as possible.

 

Maybe I should have worded that "the ability to get their own cams custom ground."

Other than divulging the duration specs, (213/218), they were just as secretive in the 2003 thread. And it's probably for the better, because if you read through that thread, there were several skeptics who were quick to condemn their power output claims based solely on the duration specs alone vs. those of the cams in their own engines.

Thinking more on this, that was probably the smartest way for them to go. If you know you have an unorthodox cam on your hands who's design few will be able to understand or appreciate, then it may be better to keep the specs on the downlow with hopes that eventually somebody who's foolhardy enough to try it out will alleviate you from the burden of proof by telling everyone about the amazing results.

 

Well first i would like to say, Don't talk to anyone but larry or Chris.. Whenever i call there those are the only folks i speak with everyone else there seems like they don't know anything!! I've heard alot of bad things about this john character from tech and it's suprising that he still has a job. Now I know someone with that cam, I can tell you it idles like stock, drives like stock, and is a low to mid range camshaft comp did the grinding on the camshaft speed just gave them the numbers. Dyno numbers with stock heads, 2800 stall and shorties are in the 330's hp 340's tq and the best track time was 12.8 If i was looking to start over again and for a sleeper approach i would select this cam.


If you want anymore info on the setup pm me the car is actually for sale.

 

Even with the shorties does it still sound stock? I'm looking for a cam without even the smallest bit of lope.

Would ported heads bring even bigger gains?

 

Well, what do you guys want to know specifically?

It's a cam I designed to work with stock components while retaining stock idle and driveability and I think it works rather well in that application.