Because, depending on when I view it and how much "nonsense" is going on, it is too time consuming for me to edit all the unnecessary replies or delete them. So, if I get off work and see there is a bunch of bickering, I'll just close it. If there is only a minor amount, I'll delete the "problem" replies. If I do end up closing it, I'll tell you that you can, of course, make another topic with your sound clip and this time we'll try to keep it more "on topic."

Since I'm the only one closing thread around here lately, please point me to an example and I'll do my best to explain why it was closed. If you have a problem with something that I've done, you're always free to email me and I'll do the best I can to explain why I did what I did.

Ok... now you are instigating people to respond to this in a negative way. This is not a place for you all to constantly bicker back and forth about the same issue and we need to realize that... quickly If we can't all talk about this like adults then I don't really care to see us talk about it at all

Ok... again... antagonistic type statements. If you don't want trouble then don't ask for it.

The majority of people on this board (vast majority I might add) will tell you the specs of their car in a heartbeat without a second thought. They try to help others out and let them know what works. That is what this board is for... to help people and share experiences. If you'll notice, the core group of guys who usually post here rarely ever post questions but rather post nothing but answers to others questions. If everybody had the mindset that nobody was going to get the details on what it took to make thier car better/faster, then this place wouldn't be worth anything. If you/Joe do not wish to reveal what makes your car so "good" then that's fine and I can respect and see why Joe doesn't want his "secret" cam specs out there. However, don't continue to rub it in the faces of those who you guys have a problem with.

Use a camcorder to do the recording. They have auto leveling/balancing of the sound and will give you a better recording than a tape recorder.

Sounds like Joe made you a very good cam and you are very happy with it. That's cool! However, I've had some complaints about the constant bickering about this subject. I don't really care who's fault it is or who is right and who is wrong. I just know we all need to not act so childish about this and instead discuss this more like adults. I'd appreciate it. Thanks!

Brian,
Please let us know also how it goes when you take it out for a spin. I too was trying to get my hands on a Joe O. cam before all this unfortunate BS went down. No disrespect to the moderators, just to a few choice members that have nothing better to do than to knock someone as quick as Joe O. and some of the people he's helped.

well i wasnt asking for the spec card. it takes alittle more than duration and lsa numbers to copy a cam. and that was not my intentions.

its like posting a thread titled look at my new custom rims and having a picture of the top half of the car. i understand it is a one and only cam, you act like i ask for you to email the whole spec card. you could say 25x and 26x (or somehting like that.)

but then agian sound dont move it down the track now does it.

if you think that i was after the all specs on that cam your crazy. and you must think you have something that no one could live without. i understand you paid for that cam and you can do with it what you want (and the specs to for that matter).

by the way i was kidding by asking, did i really think i was going to get the specs NO. i didnt want them, but did you think someone wasnt going to ask for them. guess i should have put a smiley face at the end of my first post.

whatever you do, dont post a dyno sheet becuase someone else may ask for the spec sheet or something. but can you blame them after you may post impressive numbers, people will want to know what got you there.

by the way brent some people do know the differece between a true custom cam and a off the self (custom) cam.

are u running a open cutout or open headers? Cause thats what my car kinda sounds like with a open cutout..just less raspy and more tuned sound. No offense to you, maybe just the recording but it doesnt sound too good Hopefully it will perform better at the track then it sounds.

Marcin

It seems that those people who have custom grind cams with top-secret specs make it a point to always make sure that other people will never know the specs. Just say "I'd rather not tell you the cam specs, as Mr. Overton wishes", not "Hah! You think I'm going to tell you?!"

And it isn't just duration, lift, and lobe seperation that makes a camshaft what it is. I hope you know that...

I did. It just cannot capture the depth and bass of the car. I was a good 20 feet away from the car in that soundclip. It simply just sucks at capturing the sound of it, it may have something to do with it still sitting 4 feet up in the air in the garage still.

I don't think I've ever seen so much heat over a cam before in my life. Brian or Joe could hand out the specs on this cam day and night, but ya know what? It probably wouldn't work worth a damn on too many other people's cars. It's made specifically to what Brian has on his car and what he said he can tolerate. Let's just drop the whole thing and just give your opinions on how it sounds and all that wonderful jazz.

It was open cutout. The car is.....somewhat untuned. It's running rich as hell currently, as you all know that will distort the sound some. It sounds mean as can be when you're right there standing next to it. The recording seriously does NOT do the car justice. While you're saying "hopefully it will perform better than it sounds" we're over here saying "We hope it runs as good as it sounds". It is a seriously intimidating sounding car. Maybe one of these days we will do an open header startup (*COUGH*COUGH* Brian *COUGH*COUGH*).

It's funny to see all this controversy over an issue that is not controversial. The man runs custom grinds and he does so with dedication, and talent, has proven he's got an an edge and yet ppl still want to negate his efforts with BS about specs and the like??

Do you think you can call up Competition Cams and ask them to work with you as close as he does with his customers? Do you think they would offer you something outside of their usual profile A and Profile B???

So he won't tell you his specs sooooooo what?? If his work interest you then BUY one custom for you. If not go buy a generic from all the many run of the mills out there. Why whine about it??

You come across something that is outside the usual, that challenges the usual CRAP and AS usual ppl just shut it out. Type of guys that will waltz back into their garage and say "oh well lemme just put the LT4 hotcam in" Joe O cams are not for Homer Simpsons across the US. If you can't understand his kinda work or response then stick to what you know.
Stop ruining it for the rest of us who are impressed with his unconventional approach.
BTW sound means nothing, your ideas of what sounds hot or cool, or radical or not, will have absolutely no effect on HP output. LOL.
Even more true when it is a custom grind.
It's funny cuz the same ppl who speak up and whine against his cams are the same one who get wasted by a Dodge Neon and then scratch their heads as to how? It sounded like little Pepsi cans were getting smacked together inside there how did it beat me??
It beat you cause we need new blood working on our stuff, it beat you cuz GM could use a few more Joe O's.
Wake up and smell the unburnt fuel people. Let the man be.

I bet that thing just sounds nasty in person. That clip couldn't have done it ANY justice.

Nice work Joe!!!

Camaro90RS, get that thing to the track and see hot it does...

Try turning your treble down and put your bass up.
If you'd stop listening to Britney Spears all the time, you'd hear it properly.

I'll send you a bill for technical support.

Very nice. Don't see why some people gotta hate. I think it sounds awesome.

Well the tracks up here dont open up for another month yet, so time will tell when I get some track times. Its gonna hopefully be back on the dyno in a few weeks to get some new numbers. I havent decided if I want to post them or not, but we will see.

About the cam specs, This is one cam that Joe DOES NOT want out, so I am with holding the cam specs per Joes wishes. The guys that helped me yesterday install it, I told them the specs because they dont even own LT1's and frankly they dont care. I dont mind telling specs at all, but this is per Joes wishes.

I may have been a little antagonistic, but isnt everyone.

Lets get this thread back on topic guys.

BTW,
There should be some videos up today of the car, hopefully an in car video or something.

Brian

This is ridiculous. A lot of you guys need to calm down. Immature isn't the word...
And I'm sure it doesn't sound too good considering it's running on a program that was for a 236/242. I'm going to try and fix that later today.
And there won't be any in-car videos or anything like that until I've had the chance to put the car on a wideband Brian! And that won't be until at least next weekend. Unless you feel like rebuilding the bottom end again?

I know that Dan, I wasnt plannin on going wide open with the car yet. I just wanna get the damn thing on the road if ya know what I mean. It should be on the road here a little while, and then we will see. Right now its so damn rich it makes your eyes hurt in the garage. Just give me a call Dan when you are gonna head down. Later

JOE ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!

Umm... not sure why this was directed to me but, yes, I know. My good bud many years ago was hired by Crane Cams to show their guys how to use their new cam grinding machine. He grinds his own cams so, yep, I know about custom cams