some say ditch cc306 for the le cam when getting some lloyd heads?
Re: some say ditch cc306 for the le cam when getting some lloyd heads?
Originally Posted by hvyss
I will vouch for Bret. I run a full weight 1996 Impala SS. With a little forged 355 LE2 heads and an LE1 Impala cam. Before I put Lloyd and bret's setup in the car I ran 12.70's with a CC503 and Agistino ported Iron heads. So let's calucate the new setup. 50 lb savings on the aluminum heads. Better flow numbers and a more low to mid torque cam spinning at 6700. I turn low 1.7 to high 1.6 60ft times on the old heads and cam. ET is in the 60ft. At 4460 lb FULL WEIGHT no gutting the car or lightening here or there with 1.6 60ft times I will see 12.5-12.3 Et's. On a camaro at 3500 lbs going by the average of 1 tenth per 100 lbs that will put me at 11.2-11.1 N/A. I see you Quickshotkimber are running a Joe O M O N S T E R cam. I am sure the car is gutted And Joe personally tunned the car right? What does the car weigh? 3300. 3000. By the way do you design cams? I thought the same thing on Lloyds setups about track times until I got mine. Dont critisize anyone before you know the facts. Open mouth insert FOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So setup for setup weight being the same and me running a MUCH smaller cam I am 2 maybe 3 tenths behind you. And I can drive mine to LA and back to NY with no problems. Can you? Oh and dont come back and say your car can beat the s*** out of mine . Yes it can but motor for motor there is very little difference. Opinions are like a**holes they are a dime a dozen. And most of them stink. All you can turn is 1.51 60ft with the Joe O MONSTER cam. Must be a small stall converter or 6 speed!!!!!!!!!!!
HVY SS
HVY SS

LOL a MONSTER cam??? he shifts at 6400 rpm. what do you shift at??? not exactly a monster now is it???..
Re: some say ditch cc306 for the le cam when getting some lloyd heads?
Originally Posted by Joes94TA
Yes it is a 6 speed with a stock 7.5 rear..so as you know hes not leaving all that hard.. and he pulls 1.8 on average 60 ft's because of that fear of breaking it..I believe he runs a 3:73 but not sure..
for all purposes Gary's car is a show car and daily driven,.,.
for all purposes Gary's car is a show car and daily driven,.,.
Joseph
Re: some say ditch cc306 for the le cam when getting some lloyd heads?
Originally Posted by Kryckter
Then you can compare our cars alot, I had a stock 7.5 rear end with 3.73 gears also....
Joseph
Joseph
Re: some say ditch cc306 for the le cam when getting some lloyd heads?
Originally Posted by Joes94TA
I agree with that, Chit getting deep in here!!! I don't have to say anything but this.. WHEN I did cams for Loyd , guys did run the number and not run the dyno's....And I didnt jump in any and every cam thread selling like a broke care salesman... If Loyd doesn't have you on his payroll and you are not an employee Of Loyd ..then you are a subcontracter,and as such doesn't give you any reason to push you cams here.... I didn't do it , but maybe I didn't have too...As far as Loyd, maybe its immoral for someone that comes to you with there hat in thier hand ,and then information is shared..Then the self -proclaimed guru that comes behind me ...takes what I have done changes a degree or 2 or not at all and claims time after time they are better,, but are they??
Since I was brought up again Brett ...
Fact is you havnt shown ,as you so graciously like to boast all the time ..that any or all of your so called revised cams are better than the originals...
I'm sure I could load up my bandwagon and slam pretty much all lt1s you've got cams in .. You know it and I know it... You opened this door not James!!!
have a great day , I know your busy with all the e-mail replies from all the cam threads you are in...
Since I was brought up again Brett ...
Fact is you havnt shown ,as you so graciously like to boast all the time ..that any or all of your so called revised cams are better than the originals...
I'm sure I could load up my bandwagon and slam pretty much all lt1s you've got cams in .. You know it and I know it... You opened this door not James!!!
have a great day , I know your busy with all the e-mail replies from all the cam threads you are in...
NEWS FLASH! I didn't bring you into this AGAIN... the only place you were mentioned was in the point where I said you were unprofessional for bashing competitiors or former people you subcontracted for.
Why is it that because I don't want to drag race (and waste my time and money doing something I'm not going to enjoy) it means I don't know anything about this? What I value in a car and what I like differs completely from you. My focus is not on the 3 speed tranny, "street" cars out there.
Then the self -proclaimed guru that comes behind me ...takes what I have done changes a degree or 2 or not at all and claims time after time they are better,, but are they??
Wait, wait, wait.... I can hear it "go run the number"
Yeah because every guy who buys a head/cam package drag races every weekend. How about a 500rwhp daily driver with 14" of idle vacuum? Can ya do that one? How about Blower, Turbo cams? Nope Joe don't race those so he can't help ya out there.
Your post goes to show again, that you don't have any technical explainations to put into the board, no real knowledge to add or share, just a bunch of put downs and chest pounding. I've proved that before when I've asked you to specifically back up your claims in technical discussions. Remeber the beehive threa? Go back to your day job, or go run another number with a setup that doesn't even closely resemble anything that these guys can relate too.
Oh yeah? When did I START the **** talking about the other guy? Never.
Well this thread has gone to ****... thanks James and Joe, you guys are a great asset to the board. Might as well put this POS on lockdown now.
Bret
Last edited by SStrokerAce; Oct 21, 2005 at 12:10 PM.
Re: some say ditch cc306 for the le cam when getting some lloyd heads?
Wow, thats a good post right there. i know I really have no place in this thread, but I have been waiting for someone to tell Joe O that. God I love CamaroZ28.com!! Lets keep this **** going fellas.
Re: some say ditch cc306 for the le cam when getting some lloyd heads?
Bauer Racing engines... and you don't race... oxymoron don't you think????... Brett, spouting numbers, dyno's, mathmatical formula's is only a idle attempt to pull wool over everyones eyes here... What< because I dont get into depth on every topic makes you are so superior ????..Gimme a break... And Just so you know I've done cams for supercharged and n20 cars and not just lt1 specific I might add.. The excuses are running rampid ...Wasn't it you not long ago beating someone up,because you claimed they were micro-classing things??.. LOL and I'm unprofessional... and as far as your 10* smaller cam bit...whatever, been thier done that.Whats sad is you are still trying to compete with 3 year old generic lobes as you like to call it and 3 base cams that worked for the majority ..quite sad if you ask me..
Who are you trying to impress but everyone on cz28 cause it surely isnt me... And yeah run the F***** number instead of your D*** suckers..how's that for unprofessional ???... As far as PRO LOL ,do you have a crystal ball ..Maybe we should call you Ms. Cleo... Last time I checked 8.8 -9.0 was the competitive number..with what ?? pales in comparison ,fact is I shouldnt be even that close to those guys with a lt1 block... But nice try... AS far as me being the only one in the class..well your partly right, but when S.A.M.S is my only competition... and being that very same crew that built a Hot street car that qualified in the top 3 first time out.. Safe to say I'm riding along side the best with much less... Let me know when you have something comparable...I mean hell you are " BAUER RACING ENGINES" show us them skills big guy... And stop backing up to your street car days... Make your mind up ... " BAUER STREET ENGINES" TIME FOR A NAME CHANGE.....SHOW US REAL WORLD POWER ACROSS THE CURVE , CAUSE I HAVNT SEEN D***..and actually brett you didnt prove anything on your beehive springs.. LMAO
Who are you trying to impress but everyone on cz28 cause it surely isnt me... And yeah run the F***** number instead of your D*** suckers..how's that for unprofessional ???... As far as PRO LOL ,do you have a crystal ball ..Maybe we should call you Ms. Cleo... Last time I checked 8.8 -9.0 was the competitive number..with what ?? pales in comparison ,fact is I shouldnt be even that close to those guys with a lt1 block... But nice try... AS far as me being the only one in the class..well your partly right, but when S.A.M.S is my only competition... and being that very same crew that built a Hot street car that qualified in the top 3 first time out.. Safe to say I'm riding along side the best with much less... Let me know when you have something comparable...I mean hell you are " BAUER RACING ENGINES" show us them skills big guy... And stop backing up to your street car days... Make your mind up ... " BAUER STREET ENGINES" TIME FOR A NAME CHANGE.....SHOW US REAL WORLD POWER ACROSS THE CURVE , CAUSE I HAVNT SEEN D***..and actually brett you didnt prove anything on your beehive springs.. LMAO
Last edited by Joes94TA; Oct 21, 2005 at 01:39 PM.
Re: some say ditch cc306 for the le cam when getting some lloyd heads?
How about we make this simple....
When I decide to waste my money and time beating the big dog you think you are I will send you a written invitation.
You send me one when you decide to open that really big vault of engine knowledge you have.... make sure you send it UPS Next Day so I can rest up so I don't fall over from being overwhelmed.
PS How is your buddy Eric doing or is he getting sick of your ego too?
I'm done, the babysitters going home for the day and I don't want to pay her anymore.
Bret
When I decide to waste my money and time beating the big dog you think you are I will send you a written invitation.
You send me one when you decide to open that really big vault of engine knowledge you have.... make sure you send it UPS Next Day so I can rest up so I don't fall over from being overwhelmed.
PS How is your buddy Eric doing or is he getting sick of your ego too?
I'm done, the babysitters going home for the day and I don't want to pay her anymore.
Bret
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