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Old Mar 2, 2005 | 07:03 PM
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Re: Sleeper Idea....

Originally Posted by trax
A cam will almost always give the car away, unless you can find someone to grind you an "old man cam", which is basically a slightly-larger-than-stock cam with a moderate power gain (~20-30 rwhp). Speed Inc. might be able to help you on that.

My heads / cam car with a comp XE 224/230 definately does NOT sound stock... and that's an itty bitty cam with barely any lope to it. I parked next to my friend's stock LT1 car, and you couldn't even hear his car next to mine.

The "Old Man Cam" was what I was thinking of too. Lloyd could easily do one of those for you. His emissions cam might be a good canidate for that.

Bret
Old Mar 2, 2005 | 09:40 PM
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Sleeper huh? Once i get the 383 in the Nova, ill show you sleeper. This thing will look stock down to a dummy single tail pipe exiting the back. The exhaust note will be tamed as best I can. Bench seat, Old school floor shifter, all 6 cylinder badges. Under the hood all components will look as a '63 Chevy II Nova with a 283 would down to the "Chevrolet" scripted valve covers, painted and debadged intake manifold. I think the only DEAD giveaway at a car show would be the roll cage, or the headers. Steelie Rims with doggie dishes and trim rings for wheels. I will definitely post pics once this project gets underway.
Old Mar 3, 2005 | 12:15 AM
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Re: Sleeper Idea....

Originally Posted by Bad64chevelle
Sleeper huh? Once i get the 383 in the Nova, ill show you sleeper. This thing will look stock down to a dummy single tail pipe exiting the back. The exhaust note will be tamed as best I can. Bench seat, Old school floor shifter, all 6 cylinder badges. Under the hood all components will look as a '63 Chevy II Nova with a 283 would down to the "Chevrolet" scripted valve covers, painted and debadged intake manifold. I think the only DEAD giveaway at a car show would be the roll cage, or the headers. Steelie Rims with doggie dishes and trim rings for wheels. I will definitely post pics once this project gets underway.
Not an LT1, but show queen or sleeper (?): 396 badges, stock wheels, and a little flashy color. The giveaways are a 6-pt roll-bar, dual 3" exhaust at the bumper and a cam I could not hide if I tried.

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Old Mar 3, 2005 | 02:28 AM
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Nice lookin Chevelle. See to me, seeing that i would expect something, however to anyone else, I would doubt it. Nice car!
Old Mar 3, 2005 | 04:12 AM
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Sleeper...
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...69771324MmMcEQ

The give away...
http://community.webshots.com/album/180138016oxXwQt

BTW, the 224/236 114 LSA I have in my TA is pretty tame at 950 RPM idle. It sounds just a little more rumbly than stock, except when you first crank it and the lifters haven't pumped up yet, then it sounds pretty nasty.
Old Mar 3, 2005 | 06:19 AM
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Re: Sleeper Idea....

a bigger motor will help tame a long cam.
Old Mar 3, 2005 | 09:35 AM
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Re: Sleeper Idea....

Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
The "Old Man Cam" was what I was thinking of too. Lloyd could easily do one of those for you. His emissions cam might be a good canidate for that.

Bret
So Bret, what's the difference between an "old man cam" and the Crane 227,
GM 845 or TPIS ZZ9? I would think they qualify as old man cams unless I'm
completely missing something. I have nothing against a custom cam, and
knowing what I know now, I would have gone that route. I' m just wondering
if there is a big difference in specs for a no lope custom cam and the off the
shelf models.

The key to a sleeper is a stock appearance and no lope. Even if a car runs
crappy, if it has any lope, it's a dead giveaway. More cubes is good, but also
expensive unless the project includes a new motor.
Old Mar 3, 2005 | 12:21 PM
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Re: Sleeper Idea....

Originally Posted by AdioSS
a bigger motor will help tame a long cam.
Yes, but it depends - as long as the cam isn't too big. The increased displacement in my Chevelle did little to tame the cam I thought the additional cubes would have cut it down a bit more than it did.

I'm not complaining though.
Old Mar 4, 2005 | 12:18 AM
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my car is pretty loud and looks good and is understmated all the time because most third gens are but sooner or later they figure out it no TBI RS
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