Before posting an ignorant comment, I would recommend taking some time and do some reading. I have several before/after graphs available in my customers' cars section, submitted by customers and you also have their email listed there if you want to check. Not to mention people that brought their car to the dyno and saw the increase on the spot.
I'm sure Alvin could also show you some graphs.

 

And what's your buddy's name if I may ask?

Either way, I love challenges. Here's one for you:
You find me a stock/bolt on car with fresh plugs, wires, o2s, fuel filter and air filter. I'll fly down and if I don't get at least 10 RWHP out of it, you get $300 and I'll cover the ticket.

If I do get it, you pay for my ticket and $300 for my time.

As for links, you probably should have paid better attention:
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/366214/8
21.1 RWHP, 34.6 RWTQ

http://www.madz28.com/cars/evandyno.jpg

http://www.madz28.com/cars/thannum.gif

Also, a person above mentioned a 1.5 MPH gain at the track. What does that translate to in RWHP?

 

Hey Madwolf you can come do my car. It is pretty much stock. I'll tune it up and then you can tune it.

 

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This is an LT4, therefore I excluded the dyno.

 

Heck YES! Madwolf

I wished everyone stood behind their product like this. 97bowtie Take him up on the offer if you feel so strongly about this.


These mods are comparible to mine. YOU WILL NOTICE GAINS. Dollar for Dollar a good tune is hard to beat. You will not regret dealing with MadZ28, he takes very good care of his customers.

 

The only car I tuned in Prescott, was supposedly yours (or ordered by you for someone else) and that was a saver package. If your friend had problems, he should have emailed me. I did not receive any complaints or I would have worked with him.

With LTs, most LT1s will run even richer. (as opposed to LS1s which many times run leaner)

There is the occasional leaner one, but that could be due to a number of different factors (such as partially plugged injectors, dying fuel pump, etc)

I would not be paying for a dyno because I normally down't fly to tune one car only. It's not worth my time.

Other members off the top of my head who can confirm SAE corrected gain numbers on this board are Red96lt1 and ksmyss.

 

EDIT... I was posting under 97BOWTIE's name.

Don't waste your money with a tune. You probably won't pick up anything with a tune until you start doing some real mods. These guys are trying to make some cash. 15rwhp is BS.

Me do some reading? LOL I probably know more about these cars than you do. I saw 1 dyno result on page 6 that showed proof of a gain, everyone else is posting sotp gains which we all know to be inaccurate. You may pick up some power on a bone stock car with your mail order tune, but with full bolton's a dyno tune probably won't even pick up 15rwhp. With headers, a descreened maf, and a cai the engine will mostlikely not run as rich as it did when it was stock. My buddy was told he would pick up 15 rwhp on his mild bolton car with a tune from pcmforless and it gained nothing. He then added LT's and dyno'd 314rwhp with a 12.3 a/f ratio and ordered an obd1 conversion with a tune from YOU and redyno'd the car and lost 7 rwhp and went slower at the track. Hmm...

The 21.1 hp gain was STD. Most people use SAE numbers to compare dyno results. For the 1.5 mph gain at the track did he swap the pcm's the same night? My buddy has an obd1 pcm tuned for bolton's from you sitting in his garage because it is worthless to him. Howabout he puts his bone stock obd11 tune in the car, dyno it, and then swap your tune in the car and if it does not gain 15rwhp...You pay for the dyno? Numbers will be SAE corrected. I bet the gain is more like 4 rwhp.

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This is an LT4, therefore I excluded the dyno.

 

KreinMC was posting under my name. You tuned my pcm quite some time ago and I didn't have any problems with it...all you did was (IIRC) was remove O2s, up rev limiter, etc.

Continue your conversation with KreinMC.

 

Let me know if you want to take me up on the challenge. I have the tune sitting in my garage and I will bring it to the dyno and compare it to my bonestock pcm. Stand by your product if you feel so strongly that you can gain that much hp over a stock tune. I will post 100% honest results.

I did not contact you because I planned on putting a cam in the car and dyno tuning the car shortly after. The main reason I ordered the tune from you was to get an OBD1 pcm so that I could use tunercat to tune for the cam.

 

I think I may be ordering a tune from you soon Madwolf.

 

The challenge I was talking about consists in dynoing a car on a bone stock tune first (I would bring it to stock using a GM SPS flash tool) and then dyno tuning in person by me.

The gains mentioned were actual gains I've seen on the dyno on DIFFERENT cars with my tuning.

These were cars that did not have knock retard and were up to date on air/fuel delivery and ignition components.

Of course, if a car does not meet those requirements, the gain will not be as great, but if your car is running well, you will see gains well worth the money you pay.

Like I said, I will fly down, put your car back to stock programming and then retune it on a dyno for you as a part of the above challenge.

As for your particular tune, the fact that you did not let me know, I don't think it qualifies as being my fault or me being a bad tuner. Like I said, cars can be different and I am willing to work on it. People email me logs all the time and I send them updates. Sometimes it can take a few days, but I always work on getting the tune working correctly on THEIR specific car.

If you have any additional comments/suggestions/requests (including regarding the above challenge), you can reach me by email or phone. Right now I have to leave to dyno tune a few cars and won't be available until later in the evening.

 

Heres one that I got not to long ago.

This LT1 vette was completely stock down to the orignal plugs. It still had a paper airfilter in it. While not the highest gain i've seen in stock cars, its still 14rwhp for a little over $120 bucks, not too bad in my book Not to mention he could have it reflashed for a different cam or whatever down the road for anthor $50.

http://www.pcmforless.com/images/dyn...kvettedyno.jpg

Its not a peaky gain either, look at the torque difference.. Across the board.

Forgot to mention that with a hypertech, the above person did 266

 

Why would you need to return my tune to stock when I kept my stock pcm and did not turn it in as a core? I can put the 100% stock tune that the car came with in the car and put your pcm in the car while the car is still on the dyno. Why does your challenge consist of flying up and dyno tuning my car? The gains you claim are from mail order tunes and not dyno tunes right? I never said you were a bad tuner, I just feel that the claims are rediculous and I am willing to slap the car on the dyno and get actual back to back results. In fact, I also have a PCMFORLESS pcm sitting in my garage and could test all three of them on the same day.

 

Was that a dyno tune? How many times did you reflash his computer to get that number. Looks like 9 pulls later. Not bad results, though probably a smaller gain than the graph states due to the spike.

 

Not all of us have big money to lay down for dyno tuning each time we do a mod. Getting a mail order tune that is close is a lot better than nothing. Plus both of them seem like they are willing to work to get the tune as perfect as possible.