The guide I'm following says that people always rip this thing, but I don't even see where I have one??? Are they talking about the top one in the timing cover. If so, it looks like the diveshaft just sits on top of it? I'm I crazy or is this another 95+ thing? I didn't even see any other seal on the driveshaft when i took the old one off?

 

TTT

 

It is the top seal with the driveshaft for the water pump sticking out.

 

Yeah it's the top one on the timing cover. I'm just finishing up my hotcam install witht the streetillusions guide too. The new one sucks to get on there but we eventually got it.

 

Here is a tip on installing a new seal. Do it after the timing cover is on. Take the water pump connecting shaft and sand down one end a bit. I used a dremel and took me about 30 seconds. Now slide the new seal over the sanded edge of the shaft. It should be a very tight fit, but this helps you line up the seal onto the mounting gear and is the same size as the gear itself. Slide the shaft over the gear like it would normally sit and place a large deep socket over the shaft. Now use a hammer and tap the end of the socket so it taps the new seal into place. No problem with ripping seal and has worked everytime I have done a seal fix. If you try and just place the seal into place, I can almost guarentee that you will rip it. Now, just place everything back on and you're done. Good luck, and if you have any other questions, let me know,

Kyle

 

Unfortunately, timing cover is already on...just in case, what's the PN# for another seal?

 

If you are careful and have good eyes you can see the WP seal with the car running... [to see if it's leaking]

 

I don't know the part # (SHoebox probably would) but I went to O'Reiley's (sp) to get another one for myself. It was $8. They knew what I was talking about and had it several stock. Good luck,

Kyle

 

This is the advice I used when I just install new seals in the timing cover after a cam change. Do not install that WP seal in the cover before the covers gets installed on the engine!!!! You risk ripping the seal otherwise. I have the P/N , but cannot access it right.

 

10217886 which supercedes the original seal in a 94 timing cover..

 

OK....I took a look at it...how do I know if it ripped. When I pushed the gear through the cover when we put it on, a little ring of material come off from the inside edge of the seal, but it still looks tight?

Also, how would I take the seal out if I wanted to do it again? Please tell me I don't have to take the timing cover off! There a little notch that looks like you can pry it out from.

 

Heh, heh.

I put three in before I got it right, even following the best instructions available. I think I got this one right, but I won't know for certain until after I have driven it. In your case, that means you had best be sure you didn't rip it before you put things together.

There are 2 O rings on the drive shaft also. GM refers to these as drive shaft seals. Actually, one is on the spline shaft that sticks out of the timing cover and the other is on the spline shaft that sticks out of the water pump. you may want to replace those also, so that grease will stay in the drive shaft itself.

Anyway, plug away at it. Be patient. Oil the crap out the seal and shaft before you put it on, and as for removing the seal in the timing cover, just use a center punch to puncture it, then you can pry it out. Be careful not the punch too deep. Oh and BTW, if you decide you need to swing at it with a hammer from below, take your coil off. Don't ask me how I know, just know that I now have a new coil also.

 

LOL! Thanks for the tip, m coil was taken off already anyways

 

This means it is ripped. No you don't have to remove your timing cover. Like stated aboe use a small center punch or, as I did, a small flat tipped screw driver to pry it out. If you use the method I outlined above, you will not have any problems.

Kyle

 

Thanks guys! I'm gonna go pick up a few spares and use the methods you guys suggested.