LE3 h/c vs. Adv. Ind. 200cc h/c
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I guess a 4 tenth gain and 4mph gain with a worse 60' on my 1st pass ever on my new setup over my fully maxed out old heads/cam combo with my new combo that still has some bugs to work out is a bad gain.
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I find it funny that whenever somebody starts a "______" vs."______" thread with respect to head porters, it always seems to be Ai vs. LE. Not Port Pros., not TEA, not Lingenfelter.
It's like these two companies have become the Hatfields and McCoys of LT1 Land.
It's like these two companies have become the Hatfields and McCoys of LT1 Land.
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this thread just needs to be deleted now....i didnt get [edit] out of it bc all you guys do is [edit] argue all the damn time.
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Yeah really they are both good. but for my money I found heads that flow better than both le3 and ai200cc for half the cost of ai. It pays to shop around as I really wasn't impressed with either one for ~$2000 - far from a bargain in my book but everyone has their opinions on good head. One thing I have learned is cost doesn't always equal performance and flow numbers don't tell the whole story. I went a different route and I am very satisfied and the reason I don't go around talking them up is I believe I got a great deal vs. someone who paid 2 grand wanting to believe they have the best port job to justify that large expense and try to get others to believe it to make them feel better. I'm sick of these threads - just pick the one that people with the fastest track times run imho that is the best determiner of how good a port job is not flow#'s or intake cc's or cost.
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these two companies get brought up together because they are seen as the creme de la creme of lt1 head porting. They do a lot of volume and have a lot of customers vs. a smaller shop that may do the same level of porting or a superior port for less money but has no $ tied into advertising their services. I believe also that le and ai only cater to lt1 and ls1 but there are some very good sbc head porters out their that do excellent work on lt1 heads but are usually only mentioned in 3rd gen forums
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these two companies get brought up together because they are seen as the creme de la creme of lt1 head porting. They do a lot of volume and have a lot of customers vs. a smaller shop that may do the same level of porting or a superior port for less money but has no $ tied into advertising their services. I believe also that le and ai only cater to lt1 and ls1 but there are some very good sbc head porters out their that do excellent work on lt1 heads but are usually only mentioned in 3rd gen forums
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these two companies get brought up together because they are seen as the creme de la creme of lt1 head porting. They do a lot of volume and have a lot of customers vs. a smaller shop that may do the same level of porting or a superior port for less money but has no $ tied into advertising their services. I believe also that le and ai only cater to lt1 and ls1 but there are some very good sbc head porters out their that do excellent work on lt1 heads but are usually only mentioned in 3rd gen forums
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This thread makes me wanna 
I met Lloyd at couple of time at Speedtek a few years back when he was porting heads for them. He ported heads for some friends of mine. The heads looked great and they're cars ran really well. We never took them to the track but they were happy with them which is what matters. Lloyd is a super nice guy with a lot of knowledge. I ended up going with Yelvi just because I took the motor to Hans and Yelvi was there at the time.
On the other hand when I lived in Savannah for a couple of years in 2004 & 05 I spoke with Ron at AI serveral times. I had decided to go with them because of logistics and they're rep. Ron was always polite and very helpful as well. He always returned my phone calls. Even when I didn't leave a message.
Ron, if you read this. The reason I never sent you my heads was because the gentleman that I had welding on my BMR sub-frames...hit the fuel line with the welder and the SS burned to the ground. I didn't recover all my cash out of the build from the insurance company and I found a set of used canfield heads that have some work done on them already for a very good price. Sorry for all the phone calls with out spending any $$$ sir. A kid in the stock room here at work just picked up a 97 auto z and I've convinced him to go with you after he get his tranny working correctly.
Everyone else that is bickering needs to grow up. End of subject.
Justin
I met Lloyd at couple of time at Speedtek a few years back when he was porting heads for them. He ported heads for some friends of mine. The heads looked great and they're cars ran really well. We never took them to the track but they were happy with them which is what matters. Lloyd is a super nice guy with a lot of knowledge. I ended up going with Yelvi just because I took the motor to Hans and Yelvi was there at the time.
On the other hand when I lived in Savannah for a couple of years in 2004 & 05 I spoke with Ron at AI serveral times. I had decided to go with them because of logistics and they're rep. Ron was always polite and very helpful as well. He always returned my phone calls. Even when I didn't leave a message.
Ron, if you read this. The reason I never sent you my heads was because the gentleman that I had welding on my BMR sub-frames...hit the fuel line with the welder and the SS burned to the ground. I didn't recover all my cash out of the build from the insurance company and I found a set of used canfield heads that have some work done on them already for a very good price. Sorry for all the phone calls with out spending any $$$ sir. A kid in the stock room here at work just picked up a 97 auto z and I've convinced him to go with you after he get his tranny working correctly.
Everyone else that is bickering needs to grow up. End of subject.
Justin
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Yeah really they are both good. but for my money I found heads that flow better than both le3 and ai200cc for half the cost of ai. It pays to shop around as I really wasn't impressed with either one for ~$2000 - far from a bargain in my book but everyone has their opinions on good head. One thing I have learned is cost doesn't always equal performance and flow numbers don't tell the whole story. I went a different route and I am very satisfied and the reason I don't go around talking them up is I believe I got a great deal vs. someone who paid 2 grand wanting to believe they have the best port job to justify that large expense and try to get others to believe it to make them feel better. I'm sick of these threads - just pick the one that people with the fastest track times run imho that is the best determiner of how good a port job is not flow#'s or intake cc's or cost.
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The problem is when you claim to not care about the bickering between the two shops is, right after you say it you start throwing claims around about being faster then 99% of the LE guys. Which shows you have some bias, and its appears to me that because you have a grudge with Bret that you would rather bad-mouth a product then just drop it. LE doesn't seem to get on here and badmouth AI, but your post seems to state otherwise. No, I am not Brets spokesperson, homosexual fan or any other nonsense. I guess you can just think what you want about the LS1tech banning, theres more to it then you think.....but you go on believing and saying what you want about it.
Yeah, my cars another dyno queen until i get out of work today to go pick it up from the shop. The numbers were just in from the cam-swap, and so far some dyno time and couple drives around the block is all the car has right now. My car will make it to the track for some baseline passes either this weekend or next, after that I will have to start working on setting up the suspension. I wouldn't necessarily call my car a dyno queen, since I am running a Moser 9" rear, 3.90 gears, heavy driveshaft, and Drag radials on 17" wheels....I would venture to guess my peak number would be quite a bit higher with stock parts in place of these.
Yeah, my cars another dyno queen until i get out of work today to go pick it up from the shop. The numbers were just in from the cam-swap, and so far some dyno time and couple drives around the block is all the car has right now. My car will make it to the track for some baseline passes either this weekend or next, after that I will have to start working on setting up the suspension. I wouldn't necessarily call my car a dyno queen, since I am running a Moser 9" rear, 3.90 gears, heavy driveshaft, and Drag radials on 17" wheels....I would venture to guess my peak number would be quite a bit higher with stock parts in place of these.