How often do you change you SYNTHETIC oil??????? Why??
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I'm gonna back the Patman up on this one. 3k oil changes were fine during the days before full synthetic. But even Mobil suggests that you can go much longer on synthetic, and they're the ones with the biggest vested interest in people changing their oil more often! The 3k oil change is now a myth perpetuated by Jiffylube and friends. Sure, you may think that it is "insurance" to change the oil at 3k, but far better "insurance" is to carefully research the oil you select, change your *filter* often, and don't abuse your car's engine too much. And to be really inflammatory, I'll bet that many people who do 3k oil changes also use Mobil 1 because according to "GM" it's the best, when there are other oils out there (Amsoil, Redline) that are either just as good or dare I say "better" than Mobil 1 for our engines.
Every oil is composed of a complex array of base stocks, detergents, and protective "packages." There are many factors that go into a good oil. It is a sad thing to see people who are so attached to some idea that they have in their mind that they won't even research the subject a little and that folks who offer real information get lambasted for it. This kind of thinking scares me even more in regard to this country and political elections!
If anyone who blasted Patman can tell me what TBN is and why it's important, or what calcium or molybdenum has to do with oil, (ie show the slightest knowledge of oil epistemology) then I'll be quiet.
Every oil is composed of a complex array of base stocks, detergents, and protective "packages." There are many factors that go into a good oil. It is a sad thing to see people who are so attached to some idea that they have in their mind that they won't even research the subject a little and that folks who offer real information get lambasted for it. This kind of thinking scares me even more in regard to this country and political elections!
If anyone who blasted Patman can tell me what TBN is and why it's important, or what calcium or molybdenum has to do with oil, (ie show the slightest knowledge of oil epistemology) then I'll be quiet.
Last edited by Kuma; Sep 27, 2003 at 10:57 AM.
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I change my oil between 3-4k miles, Mobil-1 Synthetic 5W-30 and a Delco filter.
Currently though I'm at about 7500 miles, but I changed it out right before two long summer road trips, so considering most of that is all highway, I feel I'm in good shape and I'll be changing it out within the next few days.
Currently though I'm at about 7500 miles, but I changed it out right before two long summer road trips, so considering most of that is all highway, I feel I'm in good shape and I'll be changing it out within the next few days.
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I think the intervals to change the oil depends on the type(dino or syn) and the way the engine is run. I run Amsoil 10w30 in the wifes 03 Camry and she does alot of highway driving on no high revs....I change the filter every 5000 mi and the oil every 10000 miles....the oil analysis was very favorable at 10000 mile....couldve went further but want.
Now in the Z on the other hand is driven hard with frequent high revs and a 150 shot of fuel enriched nitrous.....I run 10w40 Amsoil in it and change it every 2500 miles.....Im sure the oil is fine at that point.....but I run the k&n filter which allows more dirt into the oil. I want as close to perfect oil as possible and still stay within reason in the Z.
Now in the Z on the other hand is driven hard with frequent high revs and a 150 shot of fuel enriched nitrous.....I run 10w40 Amsoil in it and change it every 2500 miles.....Im sure the oil is fine at that point.....but I run the k&n filter which allows more dirt into the oil. I want as close to perfect oil as possible and still stay within reason in the Z.
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Let's see, I've got 15k under my hood and I'm going to see how long my oil will last. How bought also using the cheapest oil filter I can find. Should I spend $30 every 2000 miles and have peace of mind or should I save a few bucks and stretch it, Not to hard to figure out.
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Hmmmm, let's see, the downside of using 8 quarts of oil to change your oil???
given that studies and patman have shown that changing your oil has NO POSITIVES, we must look at the negatives.
1. extra 16 to 20 per oil change.
2. OIL IS A NON-RENEWABLE RESCOURCE.
where do you think that oil comes from, dummy?? hmm, maybe IRAQ, IRAN, SAUDI ARABIA!! wasting that motor oil, means less GASOLINE at the pump, DRIVING UP GAS PRICES.
i mean, let's look at the big picture here. oil is a very precious commodity. and there is only so much, and new oil deposites form only bery slowly. we are far outusing what we have/will have available. do you think honda and gm are making hybrid cars just cause they waste money? it is people like you, and others, who blatantly throw away oil, who have out us in this position.
try to think about the future when you do things like this. you'll make that 70's indian cry again!!
given that there is no benefit, are the consequences of being at OPECs mercy worth it??
i don't think so. i would rather pay for regular oil analyses than place americas neck on opecs headsman block.
given that studies and patman have shown that changing your oil has NO POSITIVES, we must look at the negatives.
1. extra 16 to 20 per oil change.
2. OIL IS A NON-RENEWABLE RESCOURCE.
where do you think that oil comes from, dummy?? hmm, maybe IRAQ, IRAN, SAUDI ARABIA!! wasting that motor oil, means less GASOLINE at the pump, DRIVING UP GAS PRICES.
i mean, let's look at the big picture here. oil is a very precious commodity. and there is only so much, and new oil deposites form only bery slowly. we are far outusing what we have/will have available. do you think honda and gm are making hybrid cars just cause they waste money? it is people like you, and others, who blatantly throw away oil, who have out us in this position.
try to think about the future when you do things like this. you'll make that 70's indian cry again!!
given that there is no benefit, are the consequences of being at OPECs mercy worth it??
i don't think so. i would rather pay for regular oil analyses than place americas neck on opecs headsman block.
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Originally posted by conquest lt1
Hmmmm, let's see, the downside of using 8 quarts of oil to change your oil???
given that studies and patman have shown that changing your oil has NO POSITIVES, we must look at the negatives.
1. extra 16 to 20 per oil change.
2. OIL IS A NON-RENEWABLE RESCOURCE.
where do you think that oil comes from, dummy?? hmm, maybe IRAQ, IRAN, SAUDI ARABIA!! wasting that motor oil, means less GASOLINE at the pump, DRIVING UP GAS PRICES.
i mean, let's look at the big picture here. oil is a very precious commodity. and there is only so much, and new oil deposites form only bery slowly. we are far outusing what we have/will have available. do you think honda and gm are making hybrid cars just cause they waste money? it is people like you, and others, who blatantly throw away oil, who have out us in this position.
try to think about the future when you do things like this. you'll make that 70's indian cry again!!
given that there is no benefit, are the consequences of being at OPECs mercy worth it??
i don't think so. i would rather pay for regular oil analyses than place americas neck on opecs headsman block.
Hmmmm, let's see, the downside of using 8 quarts of oil to change your oil???
given that studies and patman have shown that changing your oil has NO POSITIVES, we must look at the negatives.
1. extra 16 to 20 per oil change.
2. OIL IS A NON-RENEWABLE RESCOURCE.
where do you think that oil comes from, dummy?? hmm, maybe IRAQ, IRAN, SAUDI ARABIA!! wasting that motor oil, means less GASOLINE at the pump, DRIVING UP GAS PRICES.
i mean, let's look at the big picture here. oil is a very precious commodity. and there is only so much, and new oil deposites form only bery slowly. we are far outusing what we have/will have available. do you think honda and gm are making hybrid cars just cause they waste money? it is people like you, and others, who blatantly throw away oil, who have out us in this position.
try to think about the future when you do things like this. you'll make that 70's indian cry again!!
given that there is no benefit, are the consequences of being at OPECs mercy worth it??
i don't think so. i would rather pay for regular oil analyses than place americas neck on opecs headsman block.
Although I'm sure what he's doing is overkill, he's using synthetic..
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From: Arlington, VA
Originally posted by conquest lt1
Hmmmm, let's see, the downside of using 8 quarts of oil to change your oil???
given that studies and patman have shown that changing your oil has NO POSITIVES, we must look at the negatives.
1. extra 16 to 20 per oil change.
2. OIL IS A NON-RENEWABLE RESCOURCE.
where do you think that oil comes from, dummy?? hmm, maybe IRAQ, IRAN, SAUDI ARABIA!! wasting that motor oil, means less GASOLINE at the pump, DRIVING UP GAS PRICES.
i mean, let's look at the big picture here. oil is a very precious commodity. and there is only so much, and new oil deposites form only bery slowly. we are far outusing what we have/will have available. do you think honda and gm are making hybrid cars just cause they waste money? it is people like you, and others, who blatantly throw away oil, who have out us in this position.
try to think about the future when you do things like this. you'll make that 70's indian cry again!!
given that there is no benefit, are the consequences of being at OPECs mercy worth it??
i don't think so. i would rather pay for regular oil analyses than place americas neck on opecs headsman block.
Hmmmm, let's see, the downside of using 8 quarts of oil to change your oil???
given that studies and patman have shown that changing your oil has NO POSITIVES, we must look at the negatives.
1. extra 16 to 20 per oil change.
2. OIL IS A NON-RENEWABLE RESCOURCE.
where do you think that oil comes from, dummy?? hmm, maybe IRAQ, IRAN, SAUDI ARABIA!! wasting that motor oil, means less GASOLINE at the pump, DRIVING UP GAS PRICES.
i mean, let's look at the big picture here. oil is a very precious commodity. and there is only so much, and new oil deposites form only bery slowly. we are far outusing what we have/will have available. do you think honda and gm are making hybrid cars just cause they waste money? it is people like you, and others, who blatantly throw away oil, who have out us in this position.
try to think about the future when you do things like this. you'll make that 70's indian cry again!!
given that there is no benefit, are the consequences of being at OPECs mercy worth it??
i don't think so. i would rather pay for regular oil analyses than place americas neck on opecs headsman block.
Get a clue man
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I run a cheapo 1 qt filter (great flow, not so great filtration), dont have an oil cooler, 10w30 or 15w40 mobile one. Gets changed every 2-3k depending on how i have beat the car for the last few months. Better overly safe than sorry IMO.
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How did Daddy "build" a fortune by "inheriting" oil rich property? Hmmm. Sounds like Dubya. It's a new, paradoxical American Dream: the "self-made" man who inherited his nouveux richeness from a old money trust fund!
Hey, guys! Where do you think type III synthetic base stock comes from? Mud? No, it comes from crude oil, which is broken down and resynthesized so that the carbon and hydrogen atoms just line up like ducks in a row.
But in any case, even "real" synethic, which is synhetsized from scratch, is produced in a plant which uses lots and lots of non-renewable resources.
Hey, guys! Where do you think type III synthetic base stock comes from? Mud? No, it comes from crude oil, which is broken down and resynthesized so that the carbon and hydrogen atoms just line up like ducks in a row.
But in any case, even "real" synethic, which is synhetsized from scratch, is produced in a plant which uses lots and lots of non-renewable resources.
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Originally posted by Kuma
How did Daddy "build" a fortune by "inheriting" oil rich property? Hmmm. Sounds like Dubya. It's a new, paradoxical American Dream: the "self-made" man who inherited his nouveux richeness from a old money trust fund!
Hey, guys! Where do you think type III synthetic base stock comes from? Mud? No, it comes from crude oil, which is broken down and resynthesized so that the carbon and hydrogen atoms just line up like ducks in a row.
But in any case, even "real" synethic, which is synhetsized from scratch, is produced in a plant which uses lots and lots of non-renewable resources.
How did Daddy "build" a fortune by "inheriting" oil rich property? Hmmm. Sounds like Dubya. It's a new, paradoxical American Dream: the "self-made" man who inherited his nouveux richeness from a old money trust fund!
Hey, guys! Where do you think type III synthetic base stock comes from? Mud? No, it comes from crude oil, which is broken down and resynthesized so that the carbon and hydrogen atoms just line up like ducks in a row.
But in any case, even "real" synethic, which is synhetsized from scratch, is produced in a plant which uses lots and lots of non-renewable resources.
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Hehe tree hugger ... that was good. My dad had a beater truck that was given to us, basically to run till it blew up. When he got it , it had 120K on it ( 86 F-150 w/5.0 V8 ). First oil change didnt come untill about 140K on it, it was black, disgusting, and smelled foul, and the filter WASNT changed in between that time period. There was no noticable metal in the oil and the engine ran fine. He basically ran it on 20K oil changes ( He put on about 30K a year in it, alot of highway, about 300 miles a week highway maybe more ) and the thing lasted till 257K when the rear main seal went south, and he traded it in. Still ran ok besdies the leaks, and was OFTEN over loaded, about once a week it was carrying more then what it should, or towing a bigger load than it should take. None the less, on a vehicle that we had any concern of the engine condition on it was changed at 3000 miles. Also, the truck DIDNT have an oil cooler, and was daily driven in city as well as highway.