jimlab,

Why do you guys think that we want these heads? I didn't say any of these parts did not exsist, it's just REALLY ODD. That's all.
I'm not a head porter, but I do work with alot of high class heads. You guys need to stop taking this as a personal attack, and take it as unbiased advice. One more account of getting jumped on all over on this forum if you don't agree with someone or blow smoke up some guys butt. I'll just keep what I know out of LT1 Tech.

I'd like to see a LT1/4 based 396 make 540ft lbs, hell it would be impressive to see it dyno the same TQ per Cube (1.48 ft lbs per cube) that that 365 did, 585ft lbs from a 396 would be awesome.


chucks97ss,
If you want to know why I'm not extra impressed w/ these flow numbers (THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON YOU OR YOUR PARTS!) check this tread out and read what Mr. Horsepower has to say about the flow curve and how the peak numbers are not as important as the lower lift numbers. http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...highlight=Flow

BTW the little 365 that made 540ft lbs had only 290cfm @ peak and a 215cc runner, and it was NA and ran on 92 octane. Figure out how that one worked.

I'd love to talk to Bryan and Joe. I'm sure that they understand alot of engine dynamics, it would be a good conversation.

One more last point to. It's my day off. If you noticed the post of mine was on Valentines day, and I am traveling down to visit my Girlfriend. I already worked 50hours this week, so I figured that today I could take a day off. So therefore my post. It just makes me mad when people judge what I do with my time, if you lived in your work you understand that when a guy needs a break he's probably worked enough to get it.


Bret

 

I just gave them the link to this thread... I don't know if they'll have the time to check it out and comment... But we'll see.

Bret, don't worry, I'm not taking it personal. Sorry if I've come across a little defensive...


Later
Chuck

 

Chuck, I must say I have to agree. Reflowing them hurts nothing. I ALWAYS re-check flow numbers. some check out...some don't

Please, there is no need to be offended over some thing simple like this.

I have absolutly NOTHING to gain and have not used Phil for any work.

Think of it this way. It is nothing more then Piece of mind You do not have to tell anyone you still have your original charts.

I am nobody and In the grand scheme of thing have to idea what this life is about...but I WILL have it verified from time to time.

When I got my heads the flow numbers looked outrageous. Dyno numbers backed them up but now it is just a dyno Queen. So I bust out on the track in a crappy day and lay down back to back 11.8s N/A SPINING!

She is a dyno Queen no more and at 3,700Lbs she is pushing hard and waiting for that extra shot of juice

Enjoy your latest purchase and remember as long as YOU are happy who gives a crap

 

Cool,

I'm just here to help you out. I just get worked up because when someone who does this for a living comes into say something different than the crowd here they get patronized, told off, whatever, makes you think if you even want to be in this market or help anyone out. Gets on my nerves sometimes because it's not that I know I'm right it's that I have tons of experience and knowledge behind the info, not just being a magazine engineer or a forum mechanic.

Oh well.

I hope that they work well, loard knows you'll need alot of lift from a cam to work with those.

Bret

Bret

 

Yeah, giving honest opinions is what it's all about... So can you just listen to one from me? Be a litte less proud about your opinion's (this goes for a few of you) and you might just find people taking your advice more often.... Don't take me wrong. I'm serious about this. If I was the best machinist in the country and I knew it, I still would never tell anyone that I had a lot of experience and that they should listen to me (and no you don't have to say that directly... you mean that through the words you say and it's obvious). People have a right to do as they please, and listen to who they want. If someone comes across as arogant it is the natural instinct to shut them out... Most have learned it is not easy to trust an arogant person... That doesn't mean they're wrong, it just means that they're attitude towards their opinion seems to cloud over any respectable knowledge they might have... Don't be offended by this... I'm just trying to help you because I see the responses you get from people, and know what makes them say what they say... I'm sure you are smart guys. Just be a little more careful about how you come across to people.....

Later
Chuck

 

BTW. We know that... And as I've stated many times before, the heads were matched to my cam. I've got a whole lot of lift, and a whole lot of pure solid duration. The high lift numbers are very important with this cam. Trust me, with the 2 combined, this will be a successful motor

Later
Chuck

 

I think I would come off as less arogant if you didn't get jumped on around here. You always have to prove yourself to everyone on here, and for what reason? Because most people don't understand what you say sometimes, and then some do. You never know. One of my favorite sayings around here is "just because everyone does it, does not mean it's right" Which I see way too much in engines and internet forums.

Some of the things I see around here are people with too little runner volume for to many cubes, too much cam duration for the even engine size and head flow, lots of little things that make less useable power in the RPM range they run in. That's just my thoughts.

I also might come across this way because I am one of those people who will take on everyone in their field and hold my own. Hell I'd love to see the guys from Race Prep, in the Engine Masters contest with Rheir Morrisson, Grumpy Jenkins, **** Landy etc. I'm not intimidated by them and I wonder still how they don't walk all over me, but I definately am confident that it takes alot to beat me. I guess we'll see this year. My engine last year had a oil problem, but it was a top 3 engine, with 1st a few TBCings away.

Good luck with that engine, i'd love to see the dyno and track times when it's done.

Bret

 

You said it Well Stroker!

You ever notice I do not comment on transmission threads anymore? My 4L60Es have been known to go 10s and live all season. Heck the one in my car has 53K miles on it!

BUT I do not build mine the way some one else does so I must not have any clue what I am doing right?

You will not see me selling them here

 

I believe you just might see them there. Not only do I predict that their motor will "finish"....I believe they will be hard to beat.

Old school thinking sometimes must give way to new ideas....

In the heads...you will find power.

to be continued.....

 

Ok, maybe I'm reading your post wrong... but according to the results page I do not see you listed in the top 12.


Later
Chuck

 

Hello everyone, I am here to answer some questions reguarding the heads for Charles, I see there is some doubt about what we accomplished. Before the bombardment I would like to solidify what we did by saying the heads are an absolute accomplishment, we had those heads on the bench so many times I can't count them all, the bench was calibrated at least three seperate times, it took a solid THREE WEEKS to perform this task and I mean every day all day! These heads do something not too many heads can do and I understand the skepticism. The numbers in the velosity department are what tells the story, because if the heads weren't flowing the numbers, then the velosity would not be nearly 500FPS in the short turn area. Many companies don't post, reveal, or even test the velosity. Many times because they don't have the equipment to do so. We are a new company and can't afford to deliver inferior parts to customers this in tune with the target market, we would be foolish to do so with the technology available to the general public for testing. We understand that when you see something like this you might criticise, we where even suprised by the flow in these heads. We only ask to wait for the Dyno charts to prove our components do what they are indended to do if you don't believe.


We have much experience working with extremely high velosity heads. The infinity INDY heads I used to port for Ed Pink Racing Engines in the past where primary examples. Joe worked for Ed as well and all three of us graduated from SAM in the top 2% of our class and came highly recommended from Judson, Feel free to talk to him about us, we speak to him still frequently.


Feel free to contact us individually if you like @ raceprepinc@aol.com and we can answer any questions you might have reguarding any part of the engine.
Thank you for your time...Bryan / Joe (Race-Prep)

 

I am sorry for any misspelled words, I was in a hurry when I was typing it If I don't reply quickly, it is because I am in the shop working.

 

From pg. 28 of the February 2003 issue of Popular Hot Rodding magazine...

Popular Hot Rodding Engine Masters Challenge

BRET BAUER
Pine City, NY
Did Not Finish

Bret and his father Jack were very anxious to get their results. The Chevy they designed and assembled had been researched from top to bottom, with the Bauers using all of their engineering skills to develop a solid entry. Unfortunately, the engine began losing oil pressure soon after we fired it up, and after double-checking the gauges, it was determined that the pressure loss was considerable.

We felt bad for them, but a post-operative tear-down found the oil pump stud nut loose, and this single fastener was responsible for benching the Bauers this year. They swear they'll be back for more, as our format truly appeals to them. To show what great sports they are, the Bauers hung around throughout our testing to assist any other competitor who may have needed a hand with anything. Even though they weren't able to get results on their entry, we feel this selfless act says plenty about this father/son team, and we look forward to seeing them again in the future.

Congratulations on the good sportsman conduct, but I am as puzzled as Chuck is about your claimed results and how you knew you had a top three engine when it did not produce during the contest. I'm really not trying to bust your *****, just curious whether you did private testing before or afterward which, when scored using the contest rules, would have finished in the top 3 and if that's where you drew your conclusions from.

 

Interesting thread.

RacePrep,

Congrats on the port development. Most of what is out there and being sold to those on this board is best classified as excrement.
It should only be a happy welcome in seeing a good product from a group of guys who are more than just engine tuners. I look forward to seeing your results.

Take care

 

These are mine done by GTP, these are AFR210's
Flow numbers are
intake/exhaust

.200--153.4/103.5
.300--209.1/157.9
.400--254.6/195.7
.450--269.6
.500--281.5/221.6
.550--291.8/227.6
.600--299.3/231.7
.650--306.0/233.6
.700--310.5/235.9


How do they look to you guy's