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Old May 25, 2004 | 04:55 PM
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CR help

I am just trying to get used to the calculator, so trying stock CR.
Where am i wrong.

Cylinder head Volume (CC) = 54.40
Piston Top Volume (CC) = 0.00
Cylinder Bore (Inches) = 4.0
Cylinder Stroke (Inches) = 3.48
Deck Height (Inches) = 0.030
Head Gasket Thickness (Inches) = 0.039

Computed Compression Ratio is 11.4 to 1

Thanks for the help.
Old May 25, 2004 | 05:08 PM
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You didn't add your CC's for valve reliefs,and no intake valve closing point.
If you give me that info I will run it on my program and give you the complete results.
Old May 25, 2004 | 05:31 PM
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Well, i am trying to find stock specs/numbers for the CR on my engine to have numbers to go off of, and not having the best luck searching.

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Old May 25, 2004 | 06:03 PM
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Your numbers are about right depending on what you used for head gasket hole diameter.
Old May 25, 2004 | 06:10 PM
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You need to enter a piston relief volume of 7ccs. That sets you at 10.5:1 static.

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Old May 25, 2004 | 06:14 PM
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In the piston volume (which means Valve reliefs) put 4-6CC's maybe 8 and see what you come up with.I know the stock pistons have 4 relief's but I have never bothered to CC them. The number for piston clearance is a + .030 which means it is in the hole .030.The compression for an LT-1 is 10.5X1
Old May 25, 2004 | 06:36 PM
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Now looks better.

Cylinder head Volume (CC) = 54.40
Piston Top Volume (CC) = 7.00
Cylinder Bore (Inches) = 4.0
Cylinder Stroke (Inches) = 3.48
Deck Height (Inches) = 0.030
Head Gasket Thickness (Inches) = 0.039

Computed Compression Ratio is 10.5 to 1

would be stock CR

If i went with
SRP Forged Piston Set Reverse Dome -24cc
4.030" bore x 3.48" stroke, for 5.70" Rod

machining to a 355, at stock deck height would result

Cylinder head Volume (CC) = 54.40
Piston Top Volume (CC) = 24.00
Cylinder Bore (Inches) = 4.0
Cylinder Stroke (Inches) = 3.48
Deck Height (Inches) = 0.030
Head Gasket Thickness (Inches) = 0.039

Computed Compression Ratio is 8.8 to 1

Thanks for the help!
Old May 25, 2004 | 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by LukeZ28
Now looks better.

Cylinder head Volume (CC) = 54.40
Piston Top Volume (CC) = 7.00
Cylinder Bore (Inches) = 4.0
Cylinder Stroke (Inches) = 3.48
Deck Height (Inches) = 0.030
Head Gasket Thickness (Inches) = 0.039

Computed Compression Ratio is 10.5 to 1

would be stock CR

If i went with
SRP Forged Piston Set Reverse Dome -24cc
4.030" bore x 3.48" stroke, for 5.70" Rod

machining to a 355, at stock deck height would result

Cylinder head Volume (CC) = 54.40
Piston Top Volume (CC) = 24.00
Cylinder Bore (Inches) = 4.0
Cylinder Stroke (Inches) = 3.48
Deck Height (Inches) = 0.030
Head Gasket Thickness (Inches) = 0.039

Computed Compression Ratio is 8.8 to 1

Thanks for the help!
Are you looking to build a boosted engine?

That compression is ok, just make sure you don't end up with a quench height of .069" like in your example (.039 gasket + .030 deck height). Any reputable builder should know this but just thought I'd give a heads up before you start buying parts. I'd shoot for .035-.045 quench to get the turbulence up and help fend off detonation. Just a FYI.

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Old May 25, 2004 | 07:34 PM
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Thanks mindgame,
I am trying to look into everything before getting into the rebuild, and i am not familiar myself with quench. Those are stock specs so, if i was to go with the felpro 1074 (.039") gasket, i should deck the block/head to reduce the height, which would help quench in a boost application. Stock valve clearance problems?
Old May 25, 2004 | 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by LukeZ28
Thanks mindgame,
I am trying to look into everything before getting into the rebuild, and i am not familiar myself with quench. Those are stock specs so, if i was to go with the felpro 1074 (.039") gasket, i should deck the block/head to reduce the height, which would help quench in a boost application. Stock valve clearance problems?
That gasket is the correct thickness for a "zero deck" block as the resulting 0.039" quench height is just about ideal.

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Old May 25, 2004 | 10:13 PM
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Not sure why this is in Adv Tech, transfering to LT1 Tech. Thanks.
Old May 25, 2004 | 10:44 PM
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Thanks Rich,
So it looks like with the setup above and zero deck;

Cylinder head Volume (CC) = 54.40
Piston Top Volume (CC) = 24.00
Cylinder Bore (Inches) = 4.0
Cylinder Stroke (Inches) = 3.48
Deck Height (Inches) = 0.000
Head Gasket Thickness (Inches) = 0.039

Computed Compression Ratio is 9.4 to 1

which is now running a bit high for FI, and i was looking for around 9.0.
Old May 26, 2004 | 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by LukeZ28
Thanks Rich,
So it looks like with the setup above and zero deck;

Cylinder head Volume (CC) = 54.40
Piston Top Volume (CC) = 24.00
Cylinder Bore (Inches) = 4.0
Cylinder Stroke (Inches) = 3.48
Deck Height (Inches) = 0.000
Head Gasket Thickness (Inches) = 0.039

Computed Compression Ratio is 9.4 to 1

which is now running a bit high for FI, and i was looking for around 9.0.
This is why SRP makes the 31cc inverse dome pistons.

Same calcs with the -31s and you're at 8.8:1.

Are you using a virgin block (4.0) or is this a rebuild/rebore? I assumed 4.030 for my calculations.

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Old May 26, 2004 | 07:12 PM
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I will be working off a stock probably high milage block, either mine or might be picking up a used long block. So i noticed most of the SRPs are for 30 over, and thought to go ahead on a used block and bore it out. I didnt see the 31cc, thanks, sounds like the best option.
Bore block 30 over
Machine to zero deck
Felpro .039
Eagle 5.7 forged rods
SRP 31cc dished pistons SRP-37557-31 (are those for stock stroke?)
JE hellfire ring set
federal mogul bearings

Sound good?
Thanks guys.
Old May 26, 2004 | 07:17 PM
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If you can spring a few extra dollars, consider going 10 over instead of 30. With boost, you want the cylinders as thick as possible.

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