I still have my stock idle with the hotcam and it sounds like I have a huge cam in it, and the cops don't like it too much. I have to say that there are alot better cams out there than the hotcam, I just got it for some fun until I do a full engine rebuild.

 

I just finished my head/cam install. LE1 heads with a joe Overton cam. 22x/23x. 380 rwhp.

 

Those numbers are hardly impressive thru a bolt on/Hotcammed car, A4 or not. Many guys making almost as much HP and more TQ with just bolt on's. No the Hotcam doesnt make enough power in referance to larger cams. A CC306 done right will make more power than a Hotcam done right. Its just the nature of things. Unless of course to under-rev the CC306. That pretty much shoots the official info. As far as smoking your tires, well anyone can do that. Give me a stock A4/LT1, 4.10's and crap tires and I'll smoke them all day. Not a good representation of a cam's potential.

This is not to say the Hotcam isnt a good cam. Guys are running around with low 12's on cammed/bolt on cars with them, putting down as much as 340rwhp in rare cases.

There are going to be generally three sizes. Near stock like the XE502 and the Crane/GM 845. Midsize, which is a balance of drivibility and power like the XE503, Crane/ GM 846, CC305, and Hotcam. Then Big cams like the CC306 and GM 847. It all depends on what you want to sacrifice and get. I have a fetish for the CC306, so I like that cam, but pick what YOU want not what others tell you. Do plenty of research and make an educated decision. There is alot of info on these boards accessible by using the search feature.

-Dustin-

 

Hmmm, my cam is near stock. XE502, 343 rwhp and rwTq SAE, I'll take it...
;-)

Brent

 

i will reiterrate this again instead of listening to all of the "professionals" on this board (not said to knock anybody) but give Lloyd a call he can go over with you what you want out of the car, what supporting mods you have done or are willing to do, drivability etc. factor all these together and provide you with a custom cam that will exceed your expectations

do you NEED a custom cam no but you can acheive a better balanced package, a much broader torque curve (which is what makes these cars fast not a peak hp number that everyone on here seems to be concerned about) not like a 306 cam that you have to wind out all the time to make power (unless thats what you want even so id still get an Elliot or Bauer custom grind) not to mention the low rpm torque you loose with a large cam only car torque is very important to get these heavy cars rolling

As i am a mere amatuer compared to Lloyd and Brett i am just offering my suggestions as these should be taken lightly do yourself a favor and spend a little time give Lloyd a call(leave a message he ports during the day and does his talking at night) and talk to him he will be happy to spend time on the phone with you hes a great guy to talk to i called him Tues. for a small stupid question and ended up talking to him for over a half hour great guy remember calling him doesn't mean that you Have to buy one of his cams but he will give you some insight into how these things work and what to look for believe me he will leave you with a lot of brain food to chew on

Lloyd eportworks.com

Bret Bauer bret@bauer-racing.com


Really wish Brett or Lloyd would chime in

Hope this helps Bill

 

your right smokin tires is not a good rep, but i thought it would be a good place to start. I have not been to the track yet so I cant post times. And I realize that 310 is not alot but like i said it was breaking up, and the last time i dyno i only had 267 hp so 43 more hp to the wheels impresses me. I just know what my car did. Those "rare cases" could just be do to the fact that i had a "monday" car and they had a "tuesday" car. Or that they had long tubes, or a different dyno possibly. Mine was done on a dyno jet, both times.
I did have my cut out open, when I dynoed this last time; the time before I lost 7 rwhp from having it open. So with long tube headers, new opti, no cut out, yeah I could be in the 320's possibly. Would that make my post more credible?

OH yeah, how much do people normally pick up with a cam install and rr? 43 sounds good to me with opti cuting out. I was just posting because I thought the guy wanted to know about streetability. And all i was saying is that any wilder than what I have now, would not be that much fun driving in traffic.

As for my post, Im sorry I offended any one from my crappy 310 325 to the wheels. I was just trying to give some advice, from a brand new cam owner. I guess posting "actual" data leads to people's critism.

pride

 

There are alot of people who dog the hot cam but you cannot beat the price and results. My old 94z had bolt ons and the hot cam kit and trapped at 109.xx
I sold that car to a friend and bought a 94z vert and put the same parts on it except I put the comp cam 227/233 cam in it.
The car with the hotcam sounded better, ran better, and smoked my vert everytime by a considerable margin.
Guess what? I bought a 95z roller and it is getting the hot cam kit.
It lopes great with no cat, and people no your car isn't stock.
People always say go bigger, that is just silly for a cruiser.

 

I'd say CC503 or GM846, with a good tune you shouldn't have much if any cam surge.

I'm like dustin, gotta fetish for the CC306, I've got one and I drive 60 miles a day in stop and go traffic. Took it to the local 1/8 mile track last friday and ran 8.6 at 93 mph on real crappy (sumitomo) street tires with a 2.086 60', and spinning from the 60' till about 50 feet before the end of the track. Oh yea that's running edelbrock shorties that "should never be used with a cam."

Some guys make GREAT power and run GREAT times with small cams, but they've got a lot of time invested in tuning either on the dyno or track. Also they're definitely not full weight cars. Seems like most of the big cammed guys are making 340-360 rwhp with mail order tunes. And the smaller cammed guys make 315-340 rwhp, and the only guys I've seen in the 340 rwhp range are dyno tuned. Obviously the guy above makin 343 rwhp with a 502 will run faster than a guy with an 847 makin 343 rwhp because of the torque.

To the original poster: Don't expect to make 340 rwhp with a small cam and a mailorder with a bunch of thrown together parts.

Oh yea and wasn't there one guy who hit 330 rwhp with bolt-ons only?!

 

First, if you want a custom cam you call or email Bret Bauer. LLoyd plays with the heads and he'll point you right to Bret for a cam. You tell him what you want to get from it and he gives it to you. But this guy is on a budget and since Bret wont let you run one of his cams unless buying the exact valvetrain parts he recommends [wisely so] this route becomes more expense than most cam only jobs. You also dont really know exactly what your getting till you send the money and he lets you know the specs. Then you have little or no referance to other cars running the same cam, since yours is custom. I'd also recommend dyno tuning a custom cam since a mail order wont have reference cars to go from. For a cam only setup where the cam doesnt have to match heads I would only do custom if I had the extra money lying around. If you have the money go custom.

Second, 94formulabz, Good numbers on the XE502, I read alot of yours posts on that, but I cant remember, did you have any head work done? Either way not bad for a baby cam.

350pride I wasnt saying what I said to discredit your post or critisize your information. I fully believe your numbers, but I think it took more away from the Hotcam than give to it. I think you should be in the 325-330rwhp range. The Hotcam and Hotcam kit are a very good deals with a great smaller-midsize cam. 43hp at the wheels is good for a cam and rockers, but get your car running right before doing any more mods to it.

My feelings on the XE227/233 are that its a sad peice of metal, I havent seen anyone do well with that cam, dont get that one. Going bigger depends on what one wants out of the car. Me and Wckd94z are daily driving CC306's, it all depends on the driver and goals.

I agree with wckd94z until the XE502 would run faster than the GM847 with the same RWHP number. Thats a tricky assumtion when you have to consider where the TQ is being made on each, what stall and gears the cars run, where they spin to, area under curves were your racing, etc

From what the thread starter has posted I bet he'd be in the midsize range. GM846, CC305, XE503, and Hotcam would be my choices. Personally thread starter, I'd get the Hotcam kit, Electric Waterpump, and save for some longtubes. Then you'll be looking at a well balanced car with the right mods.

-Dustin-

 

with any cam it is a MUST to have ALL the proper MATCHED valvetrain components not with just a custom and Herter deals with alot of BRE and LE cams so he can get tune very close as any car would benefit from a dyno tune as each car is different and if you call Lloyd im sure he'd know what profile cam youd want in that car im sure you wouldn't be the first calling him up with these questions whp knows maybe an LE1 in a stock headed car wouldn't be bad who know CALL AN EXPERT as all of us on here are not that what worked good for someone else might not for you

 

Periods are your friend

 

maybe in a sentence but not with a woman btw sorry never very good at english maybe alittle hard to follow???

 

eh... a car with a smaller cam will make more torque down low, and if its still hitting the high hp number up top it'll probably pull off a little better time. But we're talking nonsense really...

point is, didn't frankz28 or whoever who was running 11.80s on the crane "baby cam" pick up like 4 tenths by switching to a custom?

 

Bill,

Haven't chimed in cause you guys pretty much covered it.

The Hotcam Kit is hands down the best budget daily driver cam out there, the LE1 cam that I designed was made to be the next step up from that and as Lloyd says it's in the CC503 range, but it's going to make more TQ and average power thru the RPM range. (that's what you get a custom cam for)

As for me being a stickler on the rest of the parts... I AM! I don't want guys breaking stuff, and good parts definately help that and even then somethings can go wrong with the install thru human error or whatever.

Bret

 

good to hear from ya Brett thanks for the input

Bill