believe what you will. but they are closer then your 'common sense' says and i can show you several cars that you can watch run to prove it. trap speed is an indicator of hp. all the cars weighed approx 3600 w/ driver. do the math.

 

^yup he knows too, they are closer than you'd think.


I didn't hear me making any excuses, i was telling you how it is As for wasting money on my car and not fixing the problem, you are wrong. But i guess you'd build up a stock engine and trap 100 mph . It would be a waste to fix this 130,000mile motor. I think you would agree. It's wasteful to dump new parts in an old engine. Everything i have added will bolt right up to the new engine, when it is completed. So i don't see how it's a waste.

I don't bases my opinions on just my car. I know many people running the shorties and running some damn fast times on bolt-on LT1's with the shortie headers.....12.6 for bolt-ons is pretty fast.

As for beating me come and prove it. Trap speed means nothing, if you don't have the e.t. to back it. Wow you can trap high, who really cares. I have seen stock LT1's trap 100+, it's no big deal, but there e.t.s are usually no better than those trapping 98-99. So okay your car is the best and your longtubes are too. LMAO


As for having pitty on me that is not what that end was about, it's about me giving advice to this kid so he doesn't blow money getting a set of longtubes, when he will see maybe a .1 gain. He HAS the shorties right now, why not stick with them???? I was giving the author of this post advice.....he can decide if it's valid or not; we all don't need BlackLT1_TX telling us if are advice is valid or not--it's rather annoying as i am sure others feel this way. Expecially when my post is not directed at you at all.


What we should be asking him, is if he is going all N/A, cause if not, then it's a total waste. N20 would be a better choice for the 800 bucks. I just want him to get the most out of his money.

 

I would love to prove to you gentlemen how much better LT's are than craptastic SLP 96-97 shorties. But the thread starter is already trying to sell his crap shorties and I believe was installing his LT's this week. Plus LT's dont cost $800 and you would gain more than .1 from them over the 96-97 style. I say again the 93-95's are great headers the 96-97's are not. White Knight you made a good choice with 94 style SLP's but even if you had 96-97's I'd say spend the money and at least get a single cat style SLP or something. I have researched headers like friggin crazy over the last year and a half and I can tell you that the 96-97s are in fact terrible headers. I have seen many posts of more than .1 gains in the 1/4 mile from just getting 93-95's over 96-97's. LT's would improve that gain by even more. With a CC306 he is choking through the stock Y-pipe with cats. You cant tell me a stock Y-pipe would even come close to flowing what an ORY or mandrel bent Y with highflow cats would. As for the arguement with N/A or N2O, you will gain on a friggin stock engine over those 96-97's. You guys can pick whatever you want to put on your car, but in my opinion if it were my car I'd at least, again, AT LEAST do SLP/AS&M/RK-Sport/TPIS/MAC single cat midlengths or Longtubes. Go take a look at TPIS's site for instance. Their Midlength which is about the same as SLP/AS&M/RK's gains .2-.3 on the 1/4. "Our longtube will produce 20 more HP/TQ than our midlength" Good move by the thread originator, report back your gains so we can settle this dispute for future inquiries. Thanks.

-Dustin-

 

Why the heck do they take the primarys up and forward?? O my goodness..... I just now see the pic of the 96-97's they aren't even tuned headers.....i think stock maifolds would flow just as good. Now that i see the pic of them i agree he will see good gains. I was thinking of my style header for the early years. Thanks for pointing it out. I still stand behind my position on the early years though.....they will hang with the longtubes.


By the way what times were you running before hand?


As for this quote i would like to clear it up. What it means is, i know people who could build a car that could smoke my car easily, that don't have the money too. One of my friends drives a 300,000mile S-10 with a 4.3L He knows more than i do on just about everything. Just cause he drives a POS and runs 16's doesn't mean he doesn't know what he is talking about. That's what the quote ment. So don't just assume cause your car is faster you know more, cause the guy in the buick next to you might just know a little more

 

Bersaglieri,

nobody is saying that stock 96-97 style y pipes dont suck. but i know a guy with a stock motor running 108mph on one. the fast emissions cars i referenced have a random tech dual cat setups. first you say that 96-97 headers suck, then you give examples of cars running stock y pipes. do you run a stock y pipe on longtubes? i dont think youd know and apples to apples comparison if it fell out of the sky, landed on your head and farted. do you know what increasing primary pipe length does to a powerband for a given internal diameter on a given combination?

 

Man, just be glad your not down here. That was my car stock with over 100k on the clock. I have since rebuilt it, and I wouldnt mind killing your car anytime. Lets see, your trapping 98, I plan to trap over 110 next time out.

You ever seen a car trapping 115 get beat by a car trapping 98. Lets just say I'd have to give you a second and a half head start.

As for the post originator. Glad to see that you ditched those and went with a good header. Sorry to bring this in your post, WhiteKnight is offically the "shorty header ****" of camaroz28.com

 

even though the general consensus says that the 96-97 slp's aren't as good as long tubes I'm gonna look for some to slap on in the mean time. I'd like to have a better than stock exhaust and probably some hi-flow cats with a hotcam just so I pass my next emissions, every 2 years here after the test put a 396 together that I am already getting parts for and get the long tubes and go somewhere out of state where there are no emissions rules to have them installed.

 

Hey Dave come up here to Wyoming no emmisions tests at all...hmm maybe thats because the biggest city here is Cheyenne at 50k people lol.

 

I thought I had bought 4th gen headers(been awhile, can't remember) but looking at the pictures linked earlier, I do not have them. Or the design has changed. Plus the price must have gone up. I payed under 500 dollars for mine brand new about 3 years ago. Mine have solid flanges and overall look better than both of those. I too have been thinking about going to a coated long tube. And hopefully will. Just don't know when.

 

Ok: but wouldn't dual cats be better than a single cat (where both headers have to travel through one cat rather than be split up into 2 cats)?

Just curious. Didn't the 96/97 get more power because of the 2 cats?

If so, then it follows that with 2 cats being fed through headers regardless of what they look like would flow better than a single cat with a "more" traditional looking header.

I know that some 96/97 people swithched from dual to single because emissions people allowed it, but if you can change the number of cats, you might as well go with LTs too. And what would be better in that case, dual cats or single cats? It's confusing to me

 

Seems like your request fell on deaf ears...... some people just can't seem to do what you politely asked.

Time for a "lock up"?

 

I'd do it, but it might be a year till I can get everything I want for the stroker set up and get it in, so I might wait until my next emissions test and pass it with some emissions legal headers that will get me passed and provide some extra power over stock and probably a hotcam or cc305, again to help me pass and after I do everything take it up there to have the exhaust done. then I'll have 2 more years before I have to worry about emissions again. unless I can get a PO Box out in the eastern part of the state and have my new tags sent there where they don't test for emissions. it's mostly just the Denver metro area that is a PITA for emissions, but then, with all of the haze we get on windless days I can kind of understand why.

 

I have my own title now Sorry i rub you the wrong way though. I annoy everyone on here, cause i just say what i want, and what i believe and have seen to be true.....i don't just follow the flow---sometimes i'm wrong sometimes i'm right, most of the time everyone is right-just different senerioes they are thinking of. I was thinking of my senerio with the old style headers. But i do know for a fact the 94 style headers will run a near stock LT1 just as good as longtubes. I kindof like the shorty header **** title.....maybe i'll start making my own shotie headers....under that title

So are you going to give me that 1.5 second head start before of after i hit the red button??

 

I appolagise Fred.

 

Randy, I would say get the higher stalled TC first. I don't remember if you had a vigilante or not, but if you do, I would get it restalled since it is free and would probably give you better 1/4 mile gains. As far as switching to LTs, I definately would. I have the Jet Hot LTs and the Hooker off road y-pipe.

BTW, just saw that you pm'd me a while ago, I will give you a call tomorrow when I am at work.