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Old Jan 30, 2009 | 04:37 PM
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Cam advance/retard?

I'm about to do a cc306 cam swap and was wondering if I should go ahead and get the cam advanced or retarded (I think advanced it correct) to shift the power band left because the car is my daily driver. Would advancing hurt the power output at all also?
Old Jan 30, 2009 | 05:07 PM
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Are you talking about ordering a cam already degreed or having someone install the cam at a particular degree?

Far as I know, you order the cam with certain specs ground in, install the cam #1 TDC and use a degree wheel to advance or retard it. My baby cam came with a 4 deg. advance when installed straight up. I doubt that the vendor or mfgr. is going to custom grind a 306 cam with a particular advance or retard built in so that when you install it at TDC it will be at the desired degrees. Then again I may be wrong.

I'm curious where you got that notion, but I await others to respond.
Old Jan 30, 2009 | 07:11 PM
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I thought you could manually advance a cam by using a degree wheel? The cc306 is a shelf-grind like comp makes it.
Old Jan 30, 2009 | 07:22 PM
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You can drill out the dowell hole on your camshaft's timing gear, and use an offset plug to advance / retard it however many degrees.
Retarding it will shift performace toward the top end, advancing it will shift toward bottom end.
Old Jan 30, 2009 | 08:03 PM
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advancing shifts the curve left like I thought then. But you have to move the pin accordingly ?
Old Jan 30, 2009 | 10:13 PM
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Sorry if this is not 100% on topic, but why don't you just get the right cam in the first place?

Instead of going through all the trouble and guess work you could sell the 306 and pay the difference for a cam that is closer matched to what you want - even if it is just another better chosen off the shelf grind.

Just throwing that out there.
Old Jan 31, 2009 | 02:55 AM
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I thought all you had to advance the cam was to line it up dot to dot with the crank, and turn it 2 or 3 degrees the direction you want, but if it's more than that, nevermind lol. Learned something, advance or retard needs to be ground into the cam.
Old Jan 31, 2009 | 03:18 AM
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These little bastards. degree bushings
http://www.compcams.com/technical/Ca...106-07/324.pdf
Old Jan 31, 2009 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by twcblackhand6970
I thought all you had to advance the cam was to line it up dot to dot with the crank, and turn it 2 or 3 degrees the direction you want, but if it's more than that, nevermind lol. Learned something, advance or retard needs to be ground into the cam.
I believe that you may be using the term "camshaft advance and retard" in more than one context. The "lobe separation angle" (as seen on the cam card) is ground into the camshaft when it is made. It cannot be changed. The "intake centerline" can be changed by the use of an offset bushing in the upper timing gear or by using an aftermarket timing chain set with multiple keyways on the lower sprocket. Many times the manufacturers of aftermarket camshafts include recommendations on the appropriate intake centerline for optimum camshaft performance. Changes in the intake centerline should be done with a degree wheel and requires a couple of hours to accomplish. Moving the cam too radically can result in piston-to-valve contact so care should be taken to get it right.
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