LT1 Based Engine Tech 1993-1997 LT1/LT4 Engine Related

Bad water pump and opti

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 29, 2008 | 11:20 AM
  #1  
stvski80085's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 151
From: Lake St. Louis Mo.
Bad water pump and opti

Ok just had my car checked out and I have to replace the water pump and opti. I have a couple questions. One is it hard to do myself or should I have someone do it? Next is should I go with an electric water pump for improved performance? If I do where do you tie in the electric for those kind of pumps? I also would like to know if I am better of just using a regular water pump or not. Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated.
Old Aug 29, 2008 | 01:03 PM
  #2  
maverickmk's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 852
From: Apopka FL
depends on your mechanical ability, it's not that hard of a job, but if you don't know which end of a screwdriver to use then it's a nightmare - as for what parts to use, that depends on how deep your pockets are - I would stick with stock parts myself
Old Aug 29, 2008 | 01:23 PM
  #3  
Green96Z's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,356
From: CA, home of the smog nazi
That was the first repair I did on my car, WP and opti. It's not that hard. Get a Haynes manual at least. I would go with a stock WP if you're not too electrically inclined, IMHO. And check out shoebox's site for some tips:

http://shbox.com/page/index.html
Old Aug 29, 2008 | 01:31 PM
  #4  
CheshireCat's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 579
From: Rock Hill, SC
An electric water pump will free up a few HP and FT#, but if you daily drive your Z, then I'd stick with a stock type pump...

As for the opti, the general consensus is that the OEM GM replacement is the most relaible choice... You can find cheaper, but there seem to be more reports of the cheap ones failing prematurely... I've never had the GM Opti fail...

As for how hard the job is...
disconnect battery
jack up the front of the car and securely support with jack stands and chack the rear wheels...
remove the intake elbow, maf, etc...
drain the radiator, and remove the block drain plug and knock sensor...
remove the hoses from the waterpump and remove the temp sensor...
remove the serpentine belt
remove the air pump
remove the water pump
remove the ballancer pulley
mark and disconnect your plug wires from the opti
remove the opti...

thoroughly clean the mating surfaces where the waterpump connects to the block.

use all new gaskets and seals...

install in reverse order of removal....

Take your time and do it yourself... A shop will charge a fortune to do this job...
Old Aug 29, 2008 | 01:55 PM
  #5  
derrickgott007's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 113
From: Kerrville,tx
Originally Posted by CheshireCat
An electric water pump will free up a few HP and FT#, but if you daily drive your Z, then I'd stick with a stock type pump...

As for the opti, the general consensus is that the OEM GM replacement is the most relaible choice... You can find cheaper, but there seem to be more reports of the cheap ones failing prematurely... I've never had the GM Opti fail...

As for how hard the job is...
disconnect battery
jack up the front of the car and securely support with jack stands and chack the rear wheels...
remove the intake elbow, maf, etc...
drain the radiator, and remove the block drain plug and knock sensor...
remove the hoses from the waterpump and remove the temp sensor...
remove the serpentine belt
remove the air pump
remove the water pump
remove the ballancer pulley
mark and disconnect your plug wires from the opti
remove the opti...

thoroughly clean the mating surfaces where the waterpump connects to the block.

use all new gaskets and seals...

install in reverse order of removal....

Take your time and do it yourself... A shop will charge a fortune to do this job...
you forgot to tell him to invest in a pulley puller and pully press tool. you will need to remove the power steering pulley to remove one of the water pump bolts on the passenger side.

also i changed mine last week without removing the block drain and knock sensor. also as i learned the hard way open both vents, one on t stat housing and one on heater hose when refilling.

i did all mine without jacking up the car......remove the cooling fans to free up aot of room which you will need. if you are tall count on your back hurting from leaning way over the front end...lol i did all mine from the top.....i hate jacking my cars up because too many old people will hit your car while you are under it in my town.... lol
Old Aug 29, 2008 | 02:30 PM
  #6  
RUDEDOG's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 582
From: Atlanta
Don't remove PS pump pulley just unscrew the pump mount bolts with a socket and extention then move it a little to clear. You can access the bolts thru the holes in the pulley. Another trick is to fill the cooling system back up thru the thermostat housing before installing the stat. This will fill the block and minimize air pockets. Remove fan assy for access. Very easy. No need to drain block just radiator. A little trick I use when changing pumps or heads is to use an old wet/dry shop vac to suck water and dry out water jackets and bolt holes. Works great.

Last edited by RUDEDOG; Aug 29, 2008 at 02:32 PM. Reason: Spelling
Old Aug 29, 2008 | 03:06 PM
  #7  
stvski80085's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 151
From: Lake St. Louis Mo.
Thanks everyone

I called the dealer knowing it would cost a lot but was curious. they want $1100 to replace both of them. I laughed at the guy. Thats $600 more for labor on something they can do in 2 hours or less. What a rip off. I need to change my spakplug wires while I'm doing this. I hate everything on the passenger side because I can't reach most things even with headers. Thanks for all the advice though.
Old Aug 29, 2008 | 04:28 PM
  #8  
CheshireCat's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 579
From: Rock Hill, SC
Originally Posted by derrickgott007
you forgot to tell him to invest in a pulley puller and pully press tool. you will need to remove the power steering pulley to remove one of the water pump bolts on the passenger side.
I didn't have to move or remove the power steering pump pulley on mine.

Originally Posted by derrickgott007
remove the cooling fans to free up aot of room which you will need.
That's very good advice!

Originally Posted by stvski80085
I called the dealer knowing it would cost a lot but was curious. they want $1100 to replace both of them. I laughed at the guy. Thats $600 more for labor on something they can do in 2 hours or less. What a rip off. I need to change my spakplug wires while I'm doing this. I hate everything on the passenger side because I can't reach most things even with headers. Thanks for all the advice though.
That's cheaper than I was quoted for labor. They can't even dream of doing this job in 2 hours... It will likely take you at least 8 hours. If you're going to change the spark plug wires and route them in the stock looms, add at least another 3 or 4 hours for that alone... If I had headers, I'd be going over the valve covers with my wires.... WAY easier...
Old Aug 29, 2008 | 09:13 PM
  #9  
stvski80085's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 151
From: Lake St. Louis Mo.
I think your right!

I should route my wires over the motor. Are they long enough going that route? I am getting ready to order heat shield tubing for the wires before I repalce them. Added protection.
Old Aug 30, 2008 | 07:26 PM
  #10  
stvski80085's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 151
From: Lake St. Louis Mo.
Got her back from the shop

Wow what a difference in the wat it runs. I think the old opti had some real issues cause this feels like a whole new car. Just need to do plug wires but I am waiting for the heat shielding boots to keep from the arching I have right now. I am doing it right the first time.
Old Aug 31, 2008 | 06:38 PM
  #11  
stvski80085's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 151
From: Lake St. Louis Mo.
Done at last

I just ran the new MSD 8.5mm Wires and with the new opti what a difference. Sound and acts like a new car. It is runing great now. All the money and work has payed off. I just think I need to stick the stock Tanny mount back in so it isn't so rough. The she will be completely done for now. I have dropped a lot of money and now need to wait a bit before I start upgrading more.
Old Sep 1, 2008 | 11:52 AM
  #12  
roadgod's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 47
From: Sugar Land(Houston), TX
Water Pump, Opti

I would add a couple things to the "to do" list. The radiator cover on top of the radiator saddle is held on by three bolts. It's the plastic piece with the serpentine belt diagram, A/C freon info and such. Remove the three bolts, unplug your radiator fans, an once the rad hoses are out, you can remove the whole fan unit from the radiator. It sits on perches. Just lift it up. Will give you tons of room to work.
Also, to remove the opti, you'll have to get the crank pulley out. I use a LT1 crank pulley from Kent Moore. But I've seen some other posts that just unbolt the three bolts, and used a 3 jaw puller. This removes only the pulley, but that's what's in the way.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
HectorM52
Parts For Sale
26
Jul 30, 2017 11:46 AM
Magenta_Hearts
LT1 Based Engine Tech
15
Mar 29, 2017 08:54 PM
dbusch22
Forced Induction
6
Oct 31, 2016 11:09 AM
pologreen97z
LT1 Based Engine Tech
0
Dec 2, 2014 10:42 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:49 AM.