ai trickflow or AFR
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I was working on a brand new set of AFR 210 eliminators yesterday. Their wet flow technology gets some great numbers. They came assembled and made it here in a couple of weeks. The runners are done very well compared to most i have seen and their rated numbers are right out of the box. Very very nice pieces. They have all the LS1 style valves and are tuliped and edges are rounded for increased flow. Installed height on springs were right on the money for each. Only thing we did was to clean up all the edges a bit so there were no chips to be dislodged and into the engine or oil pump. This should be done with any aftermarket set of heads. If you decide to go with these heads, don't spend the extra $$$ to clean up the CNC marks. They are very minimal and spending an hour with a drum would clean these up very easily. Overall, for 2k set of heads, got exactly what you would expect, basically a ready to bolt on head with great #'s.
Another route to go is with a little project I have been working on. I have a set of LE heads that I am going to bolt on and see what kind of gains they get over the as purchased LE heads. Currently the heads have been reworked through the guides. Drilled out the current guides to accept smaller sized ones to accommodate the new valves I will be running. They are Titanium LS1 valves. I will be using all titanium hardware as well. What this will do is create substantially less mass and allow for higher revs with a ton less valve float.
This is just something I am experimenting with and for those out there reading this, watch for my post come mid April to see the results. I suspect when all is said and done I will see flows as good as AFR 195's.
Another route to go is with a little project I have been working on. I have a set of LE heads that I am going to bolt on and see what kind of gains they get over the as purchased LE heads. Currently the heads have been reworked through the guides. Drilled out the current guides to accept smaller sized ones to accommodate the new valves I will be running. They are Titanium LS1 valves. I will be using all titanium hardware as well. What this will do is create substantially less mass and allow for higher revs with a ton less valve float.
This is just something I am experimenting with and for those out there reading this, watch for my post come mid April to see the results. I suspect when all is said and done I will see flows as good as AFR 195's.
From what I've seen from heads ported using wet flow the dry flow numbers usually show up as being less than one using dry flow only.
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He's the one on the right.
Bret Bauer is a guy that does custom cams. I think his email is bret@bauer-racing.com.
Bret Bauer is a guy that does custom cams. I think his email is bret@bauer-racing.com.
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He's the one on the right.
Bret Bauer is a guy that does custom cams. I think his email is bret@bauer-racing.com.
Bret Bauer is a guy that does custom cams. I think his email is bret@bauer-racing.com.
...and do just as good of job taking your money and picking the harshest lobes for your street car out of the Comp catalog. Avoid him. There are a lot of legitimate guys out there who actually do it for a living, and do it well.
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I've been tempted to try the TEA's, since they claim their chambers are 65cc after the CNC process (same as the AFR's). By the way, my build will use a new forged rotating assembly, but the piston dish is a little on the small side (-16cc) for running boost with stock sized chambers, which is why I'm looking for the larger chambers. I got a great deal on the machined block and rotating assembly, and it's already balanced, so I'd rather not mess with changing pistons at this point. That is the main reason why I'm not considering stock heads for my build.
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From: Sugar Grove, ILLINOIS
Are you sure they are really doing wet flow work or is it just marketing? Another company has been promoting this for a year and make sense. Where are you getting this information from?
From what I've seen from heads ported using wet flow the dry flow numbers usually show up as being less than one using dry flow only.
From what I've seen from heads ported using wet flow the dry flow numbers usually show up as being less than one using dry flow only.
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[QUOTE=jpack24;5110308]I am positive they are doing this. My info is from 70's dragracing legend Jerry Clayton. (Keeling and Clayton California Charger) They work on all my stuff. They are also a dealer for AFR. I am at their shop almost daily either working on my junk or watch them working on stuff. Example of the stuff they do.......
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Pretty impressive!
[QUOTE=jpack24;5110308]Their wet flow technology gets some great numbers. They came assembled and made it here in a couple of weeks. The runners are done very well compared to most i have se)en and their rated numbers are right out of the box. QUOTE]
Where are you getting these flow numbers? Sounds like you have access to a wet flow bench to valide them right?? I posted what my Trick Flows actually flow from Tevor Johnsons (dry) flow bench. (formerly worked for the Nickins Bro whom do the R&D for the current Dodge Pro stock program) If you'd like some picturers, I'll gladly post some. So......what do the heads your talking about actually flow?
Tell me more..... post what you have. Curious minds want to know.
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Pretty impressive!
[QUOTE=jpack24;5110308]Their wet flow technology gets some great numbers. They came assembled and made it here in a couple of weeks. The runners are done very well compared to most i have se)en and their rated numbers are right out of the box. QUOTE]
Where are you getting these flow numbers? Sounds like you have access to a wet flow bench to valide them right?? I posted what my Trick Flows actually flow from Tevor Johnsons (dry) flow bench. (formerly worked for the Nickins Bro whom do the R&D for the current Dodge Pro stock program) If you'd like some picturers, I'll gladly post some. So......what do the heads your talking about actually flow?
Tell me more..... post what you have. Curious minds want to know.
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[qoute]Where are you getting these flow numbers? Sounds like you have access to a wet flow bench to valide them right?? I posted what my Trick Flows actually flow from Tevor Johnsons (dry) flow bench. (formerly worked for the Nickins Bro whom do the R&D for the current Dodge Pro stock program) If you'd like some picturers, I'll gladly post some. So......what do the heads your talking about actually flow?
Tell me more..... post what you have. Curious minds want to know.[/QUOTE]
The AFR's have yet to be flowed, my experimental LE heads that I will be running this year are still getting work done. I am still waiting on on a few things to get them wrapped up. Basically they will be stock heads that were ported by Lloyd some time ago. I got them from a friend for a couple bucks. The valves that are going in are LS1 styled and the ones used in the new AFR eliminators. Figured if they get good numbers and have better control over valve float, might as well try them on mine. This year I will be running just a 355 "0" decked with a stock crank and 6.125 crower rods with Mahle coated flat tops. This will move the pins higher up in the pistons and they will be pretty light weight @ 406 grams. Gonna throw a 847 cam I have laying around see what she will do. Not a rocket motor but should be ok while I build up my 396 FI motor. The current motor I am doing is just so I have something to run this year and do some R&D. I'll post up results and flow numbers when they are done. For now, that's all I have.
Tell me more..... post what you have. Curious minds want to know.[/QUOTE]
The AFR's have yet to be flowed, my experimental LE heads that I will be running this year are still getting work done. I am still waiting on on a few things to get them wrapped up. Basically they will be stock heads that were ported by Lloyd some time ago. I got them from a friend for a couple bucks. The valves that are going in are LS1 styled and the ones used in the new AFR eliminators. Figured if they get good numbers and have better control over valve float, might as well try them on mine. This year I will be running just a 355 "0" decked with a stock crank and 6.125 crower rods with Mahle coated flat tops. This will move the pins higher up in the pistons and they will be pretty light weight @ 406 grams. Gonna throw a 847 cam I have laying around see what she will do. Not a rocket motor but should be ok while I build up my 396 FI motor. The current motor I am doing is just so I have something to run this year and do some R&D. I'll post up results and flow numbers when they are done. For now, that's all I have.
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The AFR's have yet to be flowed, my experimental LE heads that I will be running this year are still getting work done. I am still waiting on on a few things to get them wrapped up. Basically they will be stock heads that were ported by Lloyd some time ago. I got them from a friend for a couple bucks. The valves that are going in are LS1 styled and the ones used in the new AFR eliminators. Figured if they get good numbers and have better control over valve float, might as well try them on mine. This year I will be running just a 355 "0" decked with a stock crank and 6.125 crower rods with Mahle coated flat tops. This will move the pins higher up in the pistons and they will be pretty light weight @ 406 grams. Gonna throw a 847 cam I have laying around see what she will do. Not a rocket motor but should be ok while I build up my 396 FI motor. The current motor I am doing is just so I have something to run this year and do some R&D. I'll post up results and flow numbers when they are done. For now, that's all I have.
What was the outcome?
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I've had nothing but great dealings w/ bret, and his cam's make power.. SO no complaints here...