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Old Apr 22, 2006 | 09:40 PM
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Re: 5.7 hemi - 5.7 lt1 ?? why more horses on the hemi

Originally Posted by TAEnvy
Hey It kinda hurts to see you bash on the HEMI Rams. I am not dillusional I know they are slow stock. But to whoever said to buy a lightning and start with a proven combo is crazy. If everyone always started with a proven combo and modded that, we would probably all still be running ford flatheads. Trying something new can lead to great things.
I also did not buy my truck my father gave it to me after my truck's transmission **** on me numerous times. I love this truck and I actually almost bought a Lightning right before I got the Ram but now after doing my research and finding out the potential of the Hemi, I cant wait to see the look on an Unsuspecting lightning driver's face when my heavy *** quad cab walks all over him, and he hears that oh so familiar sound of a supercharger whining as I pass him.
There is nothing wrong with trying something different...but if you intention is to just beat SRT-10's, then a Lightning would have been an easier way and a proven method to get to that point. I had $700 in my Lightning and ran a 12.5@110 mph on stock tires & on 93 octane.

Good luck.
Old Apr 23, 2006 | 04:36 AM
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Re: 5.7 hemi - 5.7 lt1 ?? why more horses on the hemi

Originally Posted by robb4964
Im a Bonified chevy guy for the most part but lets give credit where its due.

Ford could have upped their cubes and got a competitive amount of power with their current platforms but they chose to go the SC route for lots of reasons but I assure you if they want NA power they could have got it. The mach1 is a decent example of a Ford engine that flows pretty damn good. It was a factor of production costs and the way to bring it to the consumer affordablely was in a Supercharged package making PLENTY of power. Not to mention you can throw on a few bolt ons and run low 11's and put down some insane power numbers. For the price of the car it was completely unbeatable. Now look at the current engine on the 05. The 4.6 makes 300+HP and can make 500+ HP with nothing more then a supercharger and do it without blowing up. I cant think of another V8 capable of handling the amount of boost and power from the factory without blowing up.

The truth is ford makes a high quality engine. Hope the truth dont hurt.
If it was supposed to take that abuse how come so many people were blowing head gaskets after 20k miles? The motor got some upgrades but it still wasnt affordable. Payments on an 03 when I went to see about getting one were going to be almost 700$ a month! That is NOT affordable.
Old Apr 23, 2006 | 10:51 AM
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how did a thread in the LT1 tech section get to this?



time for me to chime in.

Ford = gay!
Old Apr 23, 2006 | 12:32 PM
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Re: 5.7 hemi - 5.7 lt1 ?? why more horses on the hemi

Originally Posted by MeanGreen97Z
If it was supposed to take that abuse how come so many people were blowing head gaskets after 20k miles? The motor got some upgrades but it still wasnt affordable. Payments on an 03 when I went to see about getting one were going to be almost 700$ a month! That is NOT affordable.
700$ a month? Sounds liike a credit issue to me. And to some of us thats an affordable number.
If you blow a head gasket your cranking out some seriouly crazy numbers. You can safely make 450RWHP on a Cobra without any problems. Wether someone Turns the boost dial up to 28Ppounds is another story.
Old Apr 23, 2006 | 12:45 PM
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700 was on a 4 year purchase..... I just cant see stretching for 5-6 years on a auto loan. Interest gets high quick. My 20k mile blown head gasket comment was about CANTONRACER's 650rwhp comment. I've seen 500rwhp with the lightning pulley and that Cobra blew up on the DYNO!
Old Apr 23, 2006 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by robb4964
700$ a month? Sounds liike a credit issue to me. And to some of us thats an affordable number.
If you blow a head gasket your cranking out some seriouly crazy numbers. You can safely make 450RWHP on a Cobra without any problems. Wether someone Turns the boost dial up to 28Ppounds is another story.
Actually there have been a few recalls on the cobra's for blown headgaskets. The 5.4 iron block is a great strong block like the 5.0 was in its day. The 4.6liter sucks *** that is one of the worst designed engines along with the ford 3.8liter I can spank their asses all day long (5.0 too lol). I have never raced a 5.4 block but It is really the only thing designed by ford that I give a little respect to. The reason that the 5.4 can take the abuse is it is a coated iron block (not aluminum like the ls1 is just not designed for it) however, in typical ford fashion they did not exactly do the greatest job putting it all together and most are having problems with blown headgaskets that are still under warrenty and unmodded. There are also problems with engine lubrication as well I forget the specifics.

I love my LT1 but I do give credit to ford for the supercharged cobra. They look decent and have gobs of power and I might say that I would consider buying one over an ls1 . Those new mustangs tho look like **** and are slow as a dog. I laugh every time I see one. That's heritage that is being insulted.
Old Apr 23, 2006 | 06:45 PM
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Re: 5.7 hemi - 5.7 lt1 ?? why more horses on the hemi

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I love my LT1 but I do give credit to ford for the supercharged cobra. They look decent and have gobs of power and I might say that I would consider buying one over an ls1 . Those new mustangs tho look like **** and are slow as a dog. I laugh every time I see one. That's heritage that is being insulted.
Thank you for giving credit where its due.
The new mustang is not slow. I had a stock M5 outrun my LT1 at the track. Owned bye a friend of mine. Wasnt a devastating whoppin but he still won none the less.
ANd ofr picking one over an LS1...lol...to each his own. But I had my choice of cars and you see what I drive.
Old Apr 23, 2006 | 09:03 PM
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Re: 5.7 hemi - 5.7 lt1 ?? why more horses on the hemi

Motor was build for FI... sorta like people building LT/LS motors for FI... same garbage.

The LS1 makes more power for several reason... intake/heads mainly. They are 15 degree heads. LT1 are 24 degree heads. I'm pretty sure anyway. LS1 intakes are better as well.

Hemi's have much higher compression then LT1s... I think they do anyway. haha I am sure their heads flow better as well. Just think of it this way.

They are pretty much modded a tiny bit from a stock LT1. haha They come from factory a little modded.
Old Apr 23, 2006 | 10:07 PM
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I'm sorry but i must speak the truth. I think of trucks being for work, hauling stuff, going off roading, being tuff. I tell you what take your truck around the track or a road coarse and watch that sucker roll. The camaro and firebird are for speed and crusin. You dont buy a truck to go around a race coarse you buy it for work so keep it there. Then when it is the weekend take your SPORTSCAR and take it to the strip or road track.
Ford= ha ha ha ha ha you might have now what we have had years ago
Old Apr 24, 2006 | 12:07 AM
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Re: 5.7 hemi - 5.7 lt1 ?? why more horses on the hemi

Originally Posted by 96ssblack
I'm sorry but i must speak the truth. I think of trucks being for work, hauling stuff, going off roading, being tuff. I tell you what take your truck around the track or a road coarse and watch that sucker roll. The camaro and firebird are for speed and crusin. You dont buy a truck to go around a race coarse you buy it for work so keep it there. Then when it is the weekend take your SPORTSCAR and take it to the strip or road track.
Ford= ha ha ha ha ha you might have now what we have had years ago
I tried explainig a similar principle to the civic, accord, sentra etc. owners at the track. Their cars were made to get groceries and haul infants not to fly down the track. It also irritates me that the car magazines rag on the fbods for having small back seats. They were not made to have parents mashing the pedal, burning rubber, and screaming around corners in the parking lot with their babies in the car and food flying out the window.
Old Apr 24, 2006 | 04:20 AM
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Re: 5.7 hemi - 5.7 lt1 ?? why more horses on the hemi

Originally Posted by 96ssblack
I'm sorry but i must speak the truth. I think of trucks being for work, hauling stuff, going off roading, being tuff. I tell you what take your truck around the track or a road coarse and watch that sucker roll. The camaro and firebird are for speed and crusin. You dont buy a truck to go around a race coarse you buy it for work so keep it there. Then when it is the weekend take your SPORTSCAR and take it to the strip or road track.
Ford= ha ha ha ha ha you might have now what we have had years ago
You ever been in a Lightning?
Old Apr 24, 2006 | 05:25 AM
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Actually a Lightning can tear up the road course pretty damn well.
Old Apr 24, 2006 | 09:42 AM
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Re: 5.7 hemi - 5.7 lt1 ?? why more horses on the hemi

Damn, all the guy asked was why do Hemis make more power than LT1s.
The answer is because they move more air. The Hemi head allows for larger valves and it has very straight intake ports that flow well.
And btw the Hemi is not a wedge although it is not a true hemispherical head either because it has a modified combusion chamber shape to increase compression. But its close enough to be called a Hemi which has a lot of value in marketing.
Old Apr 24, 2006 | 10:10 AM
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Re: 5.7 hemi - 5.7 lt1 ?? why more horses on the hemi

Originally Posted by 1LESSZ28
Actually there have been a few recalls on the cobra's for blown headgaskets. The 5.4 iron block is a great strong block like the 5.0 was in its day. The 4.6liter sucks *** that is one of the worst designed engines along with the ford 3.8liter I can spank their asses all day long (5.0 too lol). I have never raced a 5.4 block but It is really the only thing designed by ford that I give a little respect to. The reason that the 5.4 can take the abuse is it is a coated iron block (not aluminum like the ls1 is just not designed for it) however, in typical ford fashion they did not exactly do the greatest job putting it all together and most are having problems with blown headgaskets that are still under warrenty and unmodded. There are also problems with engine lubrication as well I forget the specifics.

I love my LT1 but I do give credit to ford for the supercharged cobra. They look decent and have gobs of power and I might say that I would consider buying one over an ls1 . Those new mustangs tho look like **** and are slow as a dog. I laugh every time I see one. That's heritage that is being insulted.
I guess your Z is slow then too.. a new Stang would likely waste your Z at the track.
Old Apr 24, 2006 | 06:26 PM
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Re: 5.7 hemi - 5.7 lt1 ?? why more horses on the hemi

Originally Posted by LT1 POWR
Well its alot newer engine. Technology has come a long way since LT1's. And HEMI's usually tend to yield more HP. Here is a good site on how a HEMI is different from other engines. http://auto.howstuffworks.com/hemi.htm
Just so you know thats a cool site. lots of stuff you can learn on there. except why women do the things they do. if someone could figure that out though i would nominate them as the smartest person ever.



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