350 vs 355
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High Dollar and Extreme
Hey, so anyway, 95z28 M6, the factory pistons/rings/hone are really good and if you can, try to get away with as little work as possible to get your engine back up and running from the head gasket replacement....or.....if you prefer go all out and build a 355LT1. That would be fun.
Dwayne, I don’t think we should make so much out of your set up vs my set up. We can and should compare but not make so much out of it. Your description of my stuff as “extreme” and “high dollar” I think are not fitting for the combo and almost all of the other heads/cam 350 combos on the Impala SS list. It sounds like you are minimizing mine and other’s efforts and combinations and decisions and maximizing your efforts and parts combination and decisions by saying/typing words like that. It’s very easy to take offence to what you have been writing. I did for about 1 hour driving home from work after reading all that.
We all have left ET untapped by not maximizing the total combo. You and I and everyone else, (accept maybe Mike Harris who seems to squeeze more than what is available out of his combo dang him.
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Your heads/cam make such good torque and power that it can pull your less than optimized chassis to an 11.9 ET and that’s good even though you went to such extremes as to pull the interior and pull the serp belt, you can still go further and drop the bumpers, etc...(haha, just pointing out the word “extreme”).
No seriously, you have made the most out of your engine and not of the rest of the tune-up, (tune-up being whole car). If it were my car I’d shed more weight via the tires and rear bumper. The 3.73's are good but maybe I’d think about 4.10's or 4.56's. Certainly I’d get an optimized stall for the torque converter and that is not such an extreme thing to do and none of that is high dollar. But it’s not my car. It’s your car and it’s for you to enjoy with exactly the mods you choose.
My car and set up, on the other hand, is much like yours. That is, I have not made the most of my total combination. Where I lack in max power and torque I have made up for in a good match of torque converter and 6800 shift point and minimizing weight. Although we say that you have more power, and I think it’s true or else I wouldn’t say it, my heads/cam combo is almost as powerful given the 115mph trap at 4000lb. (Pretty close to your trap and weight = power numbers).
Your car has more in it but so does my car. My chassis is not optimized and it is actually very lacking. Stiff lowering springs and stock geometry all suck for traction. My chassis does not 60' like the best of them. I rely simply and solely on tire and de-tuning the launch via the PCM. Thus my somewhat lacking 60'.
Now to those words “extreme” and “high dollar”.
Removing the exhaust at the track is not extreme, (in my eyes). When my car is at a race track it should be in race trim. Removing the belt is not extreme either but I don’t do that.
Nice Hole Shot race wheels are not extreme, (in my eyes). Race wheels are only logical for the race track. Weight is my enemy.
A carbon fiber hood is not extreme, (in my eyes). Reducing weight is a major goal and every pound helps. (Better gas milage on the street too but that’s not my goal haha ).
Removing the rear bumper at the track is not extreme, (in my eyes). It takes longer to change from street tires to race tires than it does to remove the rear bumper.
Removing the front bumper IS extreme, (in my eyes). That takes quite a bit of effort.
Removing the AC compressor IS extreme, (in my eyes). That signifies that you want your car to go faster and it is headed toward being a trailer queen. LOL No denying that.
"High dollar" is just not applicable here because we both have very costly fully ported heads. We both have stock bottom LT1's and my re-assembly is not something that improves performance we all know that and re-assembly is not extreme when you enjoy taking things apart, (hoping that things go back together). Because I chose to buy a $24,400 Impala SS and you a Caprice LT1 should not be degrading to either you or me.
And, I weight 200lb, (very dense and thick). You weigh 240?
Now come on with me and whittle away at the 11.9 Let's get an 11.8 and then an 11.7, etc. Let's you and I both try to be humble while donig it. It would have been 2 years January that I was sitting in that #1 spot until you finally grabbed it and now I have a reason to work on my stuff again. It's fun.
Dwayne, I don’t think we should make so much out of your set up vs my set up. We can and should compare but not make so much out of it. Your description of my stuff as “extreme” and “high dollar” I think are not fitting for the combo and almost all of the other heads/cam 350 combos on the Impala SS list. It sounds like you are minimizing mine and other’s efforts and combinations and decisions and maximizing your efforts and parts combination and decisions by saying/typing words like that. It’s very easy to take offence to what you have been writing. I did for about 1 hour driving home from work after reading all that.
We all have left ET untapped by not maximizing the total combo. You and I and everyone else, (accept maybe Mike Harris who seems to squeeze more than what is available out of his combo dang him.
).Your heads/cam make such good torque and power that it can pull your less than optimized chassis to an 11.9 ET and that’s good even though you went to such extremes as to pull the interior and pull the serp belt, you can still go further and drop the bumpers, etc...(haha, just pointing out the word “extreme”).
No seriously, you have made the most out of your engine and not of the rest of the tune-up, (tune-up being whole car). If it were my car I’d shed more weight via the tires and rear bumper. The 3.73's are good but maybe I’d think about 4.10's or 4.56's. Certainly I’d get an optimized stall for the torque converter and that is not such an extreme thing to do and none of that is high dollar. But it’s not my car. It’s your car and it’s for you to enjoy with exactly the mods you choose.
My car and set up, on the other hand, is much like yours. That is, I have not made the most of my total combination. Where I lack in max power and torque I have made up for in a good match of torque converter and 6800 shift point and minimizing weight. Although we say that you have more power, and I think it’s true or else I wouldn’t say it, my heads/cam combo is almost as powerful given the 115mph trap at 4000lb. (Pretty close to your trap and weight = power numbers).
Your car has more in it but so does my car. My chassis is not optimized and it is actually very lacking. Stiff lowering springs and stock geometry all suck for traction. My chassis does not 60' like the best of them. I rely simply and solely on tire and de-tuning the launch via the PCM. Thus my somewhat lacking 60'.
Now to those words “extreme” and “high dollar”.
Removing the exhaust at the track is not extreme, (in my eyes). When my car is at a race track it should be in race trim. Removing the belt is not extreme either but I don’t do that.
Nice Hole Shot race wheels are not extreme, (in my eyes). Race wheels are only logical for the race track. Weight is my enemy.
A carbon fiber hood is not extreme, (in my eyes). Reducing weight is a major goal and every pound helps. (Better gas milage on the street too but that’s not my goal
haha ).Removing the rear bumper at the track is not extreme, (in my eyes). It takes longer to change from street tires to race tires than it does to remove the rear bumper.
Removing the front bumper IS extreme, (in my eyes). That takes quite a bit of effort.
Removing the AC compressor IS extreme, (in my eyes). That signifies that you want your car to go faster and it is headed toward being a trailer queen. LOL No denying that.
"High dollar" is just not applicable here because we both have very costly fully ported heads. We both have stock bottom LT1's and my re-assembly is not something that improves performance we all know that and re-assembly is not extreme when you enjoy taking things apart, (hoping that things go back together). Because I chose to buy a $24,400 Impala SS and you a Caprice LT1 should not be degrading to either you or me.
And, I weight 200lb, (very dense and thick). You weigh 240?
Now come on with me and whittle away at the 11.9 Let's get an 11.8 and then an 11.7, etc. Let's you and I both try to be humble while donig it. It would have been 2 years January that I was sitting in that #1 spot until you finally grabbed it and now I have a reason to work on my stuff again. It's fun.
Last edited by quickSS; Nov 26, 2006 at 06:41 PM. Reason: fix a spelling error
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Awww can't you just feel the love in this place! j/k
Its awesome when you can talk with others in the same boat and learn from one another. If anything loosing a record is a perfect reason to go faster. Its a great motivator!
Its awesome when you can talk with others in the same boat and learn from one another. If anything loosing a record is a perfect reason to go faster. Its a great motivator!
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Karl brought up the record, you pressed for details I gave you a list and a link to complete details. Don't pretend I am the problem here. You have a problem with me because I went with another vendor simple as that.
I already emailed Karl pointing out I gave him credit for the built NA record and as a good shortblock builder so I was not trying to lessen his accomplishments, I was actually pointing them out.
If I were to buy a shortblock Karl makes the top two list of shops I would buy from. I will likely buy parts and build myself and I am certain some parts will come from him for that eventual build. The man has taught me a lot over the years.
I already emailed Karl pointing out I gave him credit for the built NA record and as a good shortblock builder so I was not trying to lessen his accomplishments, I was actually pointing them out.
If I were to buy a shortblock Karl makes the top two list of shops I would buy from. I will likely buy parts and build myself and I am certain some parts will come from him for that eventual build. The man has taught me a lot over the years.
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When am I giving Lloyd a hard time, Lloyd was gracious enough to offer a pat on the back when I made a post about the record. I can respect a man like that, and have even since buying the parts I did made sure to list him as one of the good LT1 head porters.
As I said Bret you started this.
As I said Bret you started this.
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Joined: Oct 2000
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From: Kilgore TX 75662
can't we all just get along? You guys are making me want to throw a set of my own heads and cam into my stock motor and play 
I'm only a second away from you guys but that was with the stock valvesprings even! 
I'm only a second away from you guys but that was with the stock valvesprings even!
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