10w-40????
Originally posted by Ace_437
Holy ****! You changed the oil 3,000 times in motor by only 67,000 miles. That's hard-core dedication!
Holy ****! You changed the oil 3,000 times in motor by only 67,000 miles. That's hard-core dedication!
Surprised the town hasn't taxed me for having it as a permanent fixture of my garage!
What kind of contamination are you talking about? Because if your engine is sound (rings are in good shape that is) and you've got a good paper air filter, then you won't get much contamination in your oil. Oil analysis also shows this too, as they test for fuel, water, antifreeze, dirt, and all the wear metals too.
I agree that startup wear is a big factor, but it's not even close to being 99% of the wear in an engine. An engine has almost no wear once the oil is warmed up and at a steady speed, so the rest of the wear occurs during acceleration and during cold operation. It's split fairly evenly between those two factors actually, which is why the hot viscosity of an oil plays a big factor in wear numbers in oil analysis reports.
It's all about balance, you want an oil that is thin enough on startup to flow well, but you also want it to remain thick enough when hot to provide a good layer of protection too. Not every engine has the same needs too, tighter clearance engines need thinner oils. Which is why the LT1 is a perfect candidate for something a bit thicker, since it's clearances are not as tight as many new design engines. And when you've got higher mileage too, those clearances will open up also.
Like I've said here many times, oil analysis is your friend, it helps you determine exactly which viscosity is right for your driving style, climate and engine, without any guesswork.
I agree that startup wear is a big factor, but it's not even close to being 99% of the wear in an engine. An engine has almost no wear once the oil is warmed up and at a steady speed, so the rest of the wear occurs during acceleration and during cold operation. It's split fairly evenly between those two factors actually, which is why the hot viscosity of an oil plays a big factor in wear numbers in oil analysis reports.
It's all about balance, you want an oil that is thin enough on startup to flow well, but you also want it to remain thick enough when hot to provide a good layer of protection too. Not every engine has the same needs too, tighter clearance engines need thinner oils. Which is why the LT1 is a perfect candidate for something a bit thicker, since it's clearances are not as tight as many new design engines. And when you've got higher mileage too, those clearances will open up also.
Like I've said here many times, oil analysis is your friend, it helps you determine exactly which viscosity is right for your driving style, climate and engine, without any guesswork.
I wouldn't play around with longer change intervals when 3K has alot of proven success
I know many people who have been doing longer oil change intervals with synthetics with great success too. One person in particular has done 15k oil changes with his Toyota Landcruisers for about 15-20 years now. He got over 250k out of two of them. He now has a Z06 Corvette and is doing the same 15k intervals. It can be done, and it has been done by many people. Amsoil users have done long intervals for 25+ years with great success too. A good synthetic combined with a good running engine/good air filter simply does not need to be changed every 3k, and that's a fact proven through oil analysis.
Originally posted by Patman
He should go to a 10w40 synthetic, as this would be better than dino, that is true.
When you drive a car like an LT1 very hard, you need a thicker oil, otherwise even when that oil is warmed up, you'll see a lot of wear. In fact the hotter your oil temps, the greater the need for a thicker oil. If you saw how thin Mobil 1 5w30 gets at 250 degrees or hotter, you would see why I'm saying it won't protect a hard driven car as well as a good 10w40 synthetic will. Keep in mind that the clearances in an LT1 are rather loose compared to the average engine out there, so how can GM still recommend 5w30 as being the best oil? They do it for fuel economy, not for engine longevity. I sent the list of LT1 clearances to someone I know who is not only an expert on oil (he has actually created oils for race teams) but has built engines as well. He agreed with me that an LT1 that is driven hard would be better off with an oil that is around 13-14cst at 100c, so that's an oil in the low end of the 40wt scale.
Ideally though, if you find a good synthetic 0w40 or 5w40, then that's even better than 10w40 for year round useage. Or a 5w30 or 0w30 that is on the verge of being a 0w40 or 5w40 (such as Amsoil, Redline or German Castrol)
Keep in mind though, in the very hot summertime though, a 10w40 will flow pretty much exactly as well on startup as a 5w30 will.
He should go to a 10w40 synthetic, as this would be better than dino, that is true.
When you drive a car like an LT1 very hard, you need a thicker oil, otherwise even when that oil is warmed up, you'll see a lot of wear. In fact the hotter your oil temps, the greater the need for a thicker oil. If you saw how thin Mobil 1 5w30 gets at 250 degrees or hotter, you would see why I'm saying it won't protect a hard driven car as well as a good 10w40 synthetic will. Keep in mind that the clearances in an LT1 are rather loose compared to the average engine out there, so how can GM still recommend 5w30 as being the best oil? They do it for fuel economy, not for engine longevity. I sent the list of LT1 clearances to someone I know who is not only an expert on oil (he has actually created oils for race teams) but has built engines as well. He agreed with me that an LT1 that is driven hard would be better off with an oil that is around 13-14cst at 100c, so that's an oil in the low end of the 40wt scale.
Ideally though, if you find a good synthetic 0w40 or 5w40, then that's even better than 10w40 for year round useage. Or a 5w30 or 0w30 that is on the verge of being a 0w40 or 5w40 (such as Amsoil, Redline or German Castrol)
Keep in mind though, in the very hot summertime though, a 10w40 will flow pretty much exactly as well on startup as a 5w30 will.
Is your Mobil1 really getting to temps of 250 degrees? Maybe if you changed to a REAL racing oil like Royal Purple, you wouldn't see oil temps so astronomically high. You might see temps around 195-200 on a 95+ degree day with 100 percent humidity. What is your climate like? If its a 100% humidity day and the track temps are 95 degrees outside but 120 on the track, your actual thermal temp that the engine coolers are seeing are 192 degrees. I would call that pretty darn good oil to stay within 5 degrees of its ambient thermal efficiency. Unfortunately we get hot humid days like that in Texas.
Using a thicker oil is just wasteful. It wastes energy in the loss of performance for having to churn through a heavier viscosity and it wastes gas, period. I will agree that 3000 mile intervals with a performance synthetic are a bit extreme but to each his own habits. If you need a 1000 mile intervals to get some time away from the wife, by all means enjoy it.
So... would you mind devulging this "Oil Expert" who creates specialty oils for racing teams? Does he have a cart with Snake Oyl on the side of it? I am sure with IRL, CART, and NASCAR's mandatory lubricant submission testing he cannot be working in any really serious venue. Even the Formula Renault series has a spec oil with mandatory testing and impounds. What oil would he recommend for a Marine engine? They have the same tolerances as a LT1. Come to think of it... so do the Northstar and Cadillac engines. I cannot remember the last time I saw Grandpa doing a smoky burnout when leaving the retirement home for all the ladies to see. But, I would bet that when he has Johnny change his oil, he sticks with what the manufacturer suggests.
Hey... not to say that the manufacturer is always right. BMW sure made a huge F-up when they suggested we use Mobil1 5/30 oil in the M3. It took me $23K and an attorney before BMW finally made a recall on the M3 and gave all M3 owners a free change to the Castrol 5W60 oil.
You just have to understand that just because an oil is thin, it doesn't mean its not doing its job. It means it is. What is not acceptible is hydraulic breakdown and what Mobil1 is famous for.
Originally posted by Patman
Amsoil users have done long intervals for 25+ years with great success too. A good synthetic combined with a good running engine/good air filter simply does not need to be changed every 3k, and that's a fact proven through oil analysis.
Amsoil users have done long intervals for 25+ years with great success too. A good synthetic combined with a good running engine/good air filter simply does not need to be changed every 3k, and that's a fact proven through oil analysis.
Speaking of hours...isnt that a better way to determine when to change oil....I think Ill rig up a timer and see how many hours it takes for me to get 3000 miles on my car...most of mine are highway going to and from race/show/club events.
Greg... that would be great and it is true to a degree. I am a Aviation tech and builder. What they do is fill the oil, but due to FAA mandated inspections of aircraft used for flight for hire operations they are required to replace the oil during their Progressive inspection or at ever 100 hour intervals.
But here is the part that will blow most people away... the reservoir that most large GE731 fans go in... mostly 737 aircraft and such. Their oil fluid capacity is not much larger than our cars.
But here is the part that will blow most people away... the reservoir that most large GE731 fans go in... mostly 737 aircraft and such. Their oil fluid capacity is not much larger than our cars.
I just had a rebuilt on my engine, spun rod bearing. The mechanic who did a rebuilt clearanced my crank for more performance, put all forged internals and told to use 15w-40 oil, which he said is the best for SB chevy engines.
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