What do i need to beat a vette?
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Originally posted by JJJ93z
[B] Besides the IRS, aerodynamic advantage, and lower weight , and 30 extra horse 85 for the z06 , what advantage does the vette have? B]
[B] Besides the IRS, aerodynamic advantage, and lower weight , and 30 extra horse 85 for the z06 , what advantage does the vette have? B]
Forget the 30 extra horses. It's totally fictional. LS1 = LS1 vette or F-body, doesn't matter.
As far as streetability and fuel economy for any power level.
TURBO. Buddy's got a stock LS1 with twin turbos and all of the associated fuel and computer upgrades. Car has 40,000 miles on it (most of them with the turbos) gets stock mileage when not on the go pedal hard and makes well over 500 hp at the wheels on 6.5-7 psi of boost. 3800+lb race weight went 11.05 at 130mph on 9.5-10 lbs. Remember this is on a stock motor. But with a m6 save $2500 for the new 12 bolt rear, $1500 for the HD rebuild of the trans, and $500 for a bullet proof clutch.
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Originally posted by AL SS590 M6
Forget the 30 extra horses. It's totally fictional. LS1 = LS1 vette or F-body, doesn't matter.
As far as streetability and fuel economy for any power level.
TURBO. Buddy's got a stock LS1 with twin turbos and all of the associated fuel and computer upgrades. Car has 40,000 miles on it (most of them with the turbos) gets stock mileage when not on the go pedal hard and makes well over 500 hp at the wheels on 6.5-7 psi of boost. 3800+lb race weight went 11.05 at 130mph on 9.5-10 lbs. Remember this is on a stock motor. But with a m6 save $2500 for the new 12 bolt rear, $1500 for the HD rebuild of the trans, and $500 for a bullet proof clutch.
Forget the 30 extra horses. It's totally fictional. LS1 = LS1 vette or F-body, doesn't matter.
As far as streetability and fuel economy for any power level.
TURBO. Buddy's got a stock LS1 with twin turbos and all of the associated fuel and computer upgrades. Car has 40,000 miles on it (most of them with the turbos) gets stock mileage when not on the go pedal hard and makes well over 500 hp at the wheels on 6.5-7 psi of boost. 3800+lb race weight went 11.05 at 130mph on 9.5-10 lbs. Remember this is on a stock motor. But with a m6 save $2500 for the new 12 bolt rear, $1500 for the HD rebuild of the trans, and $500 for a bullet proof clutch.
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Re: What do i need to beat a vette?
Originally posted by JJJ93z
I have close to 25k to spend on a new car, and I know i could do a huge 396 or something on my lt1 but its gettting old, all the squeaks and little things that break are a thorn in my side. So i am looking for either a 99-02 SS , or WS6 , preferibly a SS , 6 spd. ttops or vert. I was wondering what mods can i do with the money i have left over from the car, maybe 7-10k worth, to beat a vette? Get an 01-02 and you should have no problems beating a vette once you learn to drive it properly.
maybe z06
?To beat a Z06 you dont need too much.. Remeber that its only about .4-.6 faster.. thats all in a blink of an eye.. just get some suspension and traction and with the benefit of knowing how to drive you could be running with them, add power and the day will be yours.
Im considering doing forced induction, but have never done it before. but heads and cam sound great too. (with full bolt ons,{lid,maf,headers,off road y, catback, ls6 intake, 1.6 rr's, ect.}) any opinions would be appreciatedsimple supercharger could be fun and easy but its costly.. as you have stated your budget it will be within your means.. I looked into them just to familiarize myself with them and I personally would get the ATI Procharger SC (self contained) unit.. Size is entirely up to what you want. As for a heads/cam package, that will result in a faster car but you need to really focus on traction too or you will be hurting yourself in the long run with power and no traction.
And LS1's come with 1.7's if I am not mistaken so you wouldnt want 1.6's..
I have close to 25k to spend on a new car, and I know i could do a huge 396 or something on my lt1 but its gettting old, all the squeaks and little things that break are a thorn in my side. So i am looking for either a 99-02 SS , or WS6 , preferibly a SS , 6 spd. ttops or vert. I was wondering what mods can i do with the money i have left over from the car, maybe 7-10k worth, to beat a vette? Get an 01-02 and you should have no problems beating a vette once you learn to drive it properly.
maybe z06
?To beat a Z06 you dont need too much.. Remeber that its only about .4-.6 faster.. thats all in a blink of an eye.. just get some suspension and traction and with the benefit of knowing how to drive you could be running with them, add power and the day will be yours.Im considering doing forced induction, but have never done it before. but heads and cam sound great too. (with full bolt ons,{lid,maf,headers,off road y, catback, ls6 intake, 1.6 rr's, ect.}) any opinions would be appreciatedsimple supercharger could be fun and easy but its costly.. as you have stated your budget it will be within your means.. I looked into them just to familiarize myself with them and I personally would get the ATI Procharger SC (self contained) unit.. Size is entirely up to what you want. As for a heads/cam package, that will result in a faster car but you need to really focus on traction too or you will be hurting yourself in the long run with power and no traction.
And LS1's come with 1.7's if I am not mistaken so you wouldnt want 1.6's..
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Psycho cabbage-- thanks for all the great info. I plan on doing many suspension mods too . b/c what good is all that power if u cant get it to the ground? does BMR make good stuff for the LS1 too? i have all BMR and hotckis parts on my LT1. also thanks for the heads up on the rr's , didnt know they came stock! the ati unit was the one i was looking into as well. after i get my car , will full bolt ons and a cam, minor suspension mods, and sticky tires get me in the 12's? thanks again
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Originally posted by JJJ93z
Psycho cabbage-- thanks for all the great info. I plan on doing many suspension mods too . b/c what good is all that power if u cant get it to the ground? does BMR make good stuff for the LS1 too? i have all BMR and hotckis parts on my LT1. also thanks for the heads up on the rr's , didnt know they came stock! the ati unit was the one i was looking into as well. after i get my car , will full bolt ons and a cam, minor suspension mods, and sticky tires get me in the 12's? thanks again
Psycho cabbage-- thanks for all the great info. I plan on doing many suspension mods too . b/c what good is all that power if u cant get it to the ground? does BMR make good stuff for the LS1 too? i have all BMR and hotckis parts on my LT1. also thanks for the heads up on the rr's , didnt know they came stock! the ati unit was the one i was looking into as well. after i get my car , will full bolt ons and a cam, minor suspension mods, and sticky tires get me in the 12's? thanks again
but heck with a cam and sticky tires here in texas you should be seeing low 12's and high 11's..
I run a 13.1 in my car bone stock with 2.1 short times.. I wasnt spinning but I wasnt launching super hard either so I know it can do more..
The bodies of all the 4th gens (1993-2002) are the same so stuff you have on your LT1 will swap over for the most part..
I have some BMR and MAC stuff and some Hotpart stuff for my car from my LT1.. I saved it cause I know it will fit I just havent installed it.. Odd yes. but I dont have the mod bug like others seem to get often. I just want to see how far I can take the car bone stock... maybe later in life I will throw on a SC and see what it does then..hehe
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Originally posted by JJJ93z
does BMR make good stuff for the LS1 too? i have all BMR and hotckis parts on my LT1.
does BMR make good stuff for the LS1 too? i have all BMR and hotckis parts on my LT1.
Originally posted by JJJ93z
after i get my car , will full bolt ons and a cam, minor suspension mods, and sticky tires get me in the 12's? thanks again
after i get my car , will full bolt ons and a cam, minor suspension mods, and sticky tires get me in the 12's? thanks again
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Originally posted by 96SFLZ
LT1/LS1 suspension = same s**t. Whatever fit's a '93-'97, will fit on a '98-'02...LCAs, torque arm, sway bar(s), SFCs, etc...(HINT, HINT)
With a well driven, good running LS1, in good weather...DRs alone could net you a 12 sec. slip . With what you listed, I'd be shootin' for 11s.
LT1/LS1 suspension = same s**t. Whatever fit's a '93-'97, will fit on a '98-'02...LCAs, torque arm, sway bar(s), SFCs, etc...(HINT, HINT)
With a well driven, good running LS1, in good weather...DRs alone could net you a 12 sec. slip . With what you listed, I'd be shootin' for 11s.
psycho -- my elevation is pretty low, im right by chicago , man i cant believe those times! thats great , i didnt know ls1s were so responsive to bolt ons.
96sflz-- what does DS predator , and ORY stand for in your sig?? thanks
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Basically, just timing tables and fuel curves ("optimize" them) .
Basic overview: The Predator gives the user ability to adjust selected parameters to suit their own applications and needs. The Predator also includes diagnostic features identical to the GM Tech2, such as the ability to read fault codes and erase them. Other features:
• Allows fine tuning to timing & fuel curves, each unit offers a multitude of performance tunes...a Diablo Exclusive!
• Adjusts speed limiters
• Adjustable rev limiter for a broader power band.
• Adjust speedometer for gear and/or tire diameter changes
• Adjust shift points in vehicles w/automatic transmissions & increase line pressure for quicker, firmer, more precise shifts
• Exclusive! Ability to re-tune vehicles after factory re-flash of PCM
• Predator flash tool allows custom tuned downloads
• Exclusive! Multi-vehicle diagnostic tool w/live data monitoring & fault code scan/erase capabilities
• Installs in minutes w/no computer skills
• Won't void warranty
• Limited lifetime warranty
And yes, you can disable the CAGS (skip shift) with it.
Basic overview: The Predator gives the user ability to adjust selected parameters to suit their own applications and needs. The Predator also includes diagnostic features identical to the GM Tech2, such as the ability to read fault codes and erase them. Other features:
• Allows fine tuning to timing & fuel curves, each unit offers a multitude of performance tunes...a Diablo Exclusive!
• Adjusts speed limiters
• Adjustable rev limiter for a broader power band.
• Adjust speedometer for gear and/or tire diameter changes
• Adjust shift points in vehicles w/automatic transmissions & increase line pressure for quicker, firmer, more precise shifts
• Exclusive! Ability to re-tune vehicles after factory re-flash of PCM
• Predator flash tool allows custom tuned downloads
• Exclusive! Multi-vehicle diagnostic tool w/live data monitoring & fault code scan/erase capabilities
• Installs in minutes w/no computer skills
• Won't void warranty
• Limited lifetime warranty
And yes, you can disable the CAGS (skip shift) with it.
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97-03 vetts have the LS1, they are 400 pounds lighter and come equiped with dual exhaust. they dyno the same as ours aprox 290-310 rwhp. the z06 acording to my local speed shop TPIS specialties dynos at aprox 335rwhp even though the factory rates them at 400. h/c, heads (ported) and cam with a LS6 intake if your car is not a 01-02. with that set up guys on the web are dynoing 365-385 rwhp (i believe those are numbers i've read) if you get traction your gonna fly! good luck,kick some azzphault!
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Originally posted by DANOZ28
97-03 vetts have the LS1, they are 400 pounds lighter
97-03 vetts have the LS1, they are 400 pounds lighter
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Why? Average f-body weight is 3500 lbs, maybe your scale was messed up or you did some weight reduction. All corvettes are made of fiber glass and usually weigh 2800-2900 lbs, the convertibles weigh a lot more. I don't seen how you can doubt it.
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Actually most corvettes (excl convertibles) weigh around 3200 lbs, give or take maybe 300 lbs and the weight I gave was for my car before I did any weight reduction. Actually, to be exact, the car weighed 3340 with a 1/8 tank of gas, I have done some weight reduction (removed jack and spare, removed rear seats and seatbelts, removed all floormats and the trunk cover, which has since been reinstalled) and with a little over 1/4 tank of gas the car weighed 3260. No the scales aren't wrong. However, my car is a stripper car so that may account for a little, but I can't see my car weighing 160 lbs less than the average f-body.
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Originally posted by Pasky
Why? Average f-body weight is 3500 lbs, maybe your scale was messed up or you did some weight reduction. All corvettes are made of fiber glass and usually weigh 2800-2900 lbs, the convertibles weigh a lot more. I don't seen how you can doubt it.
Why? Average f-body weight is 3500 lbs, maybe your scale was messed up or you did some weight reduction. All corvettes are made of fiber glass and usually weigh 2800-2900 lbs, the convertibles weigh a lot more. I don't seen how you can doubt it.
And Corvettes are not that light. FRCs run 3150-3200 and they are the lightest model.