I see them in the summit catalog and for the price at 229 they sound like a great deal. They are stepped from 1 1/2 to 1 5/8 primaries, I'm wondering how they fit or the quality of the welds and so fourth. I had hooker headers coated by Jet Hot and they required me to move some wires and ABS lines, and were not the easiest header to install, and to top it off the coating flaked off after three months half way up the header, so I can't see paying for another coating that will fall off again. I think the headman coated ones are 400 something.