if that was aimed at me i don't dis imports in fact many of my friends drive them. One friend just sold his 96 gsx for 20 grand so i know about nice turbo cars. and i know that you can't half *** them and get what you want out of them like his rinky dink boost controler. i have only returned the attitude he gave to me saying a dyno was rediculous when our o2's are not very acurate. and most poeple don't like gauges all i did was give my oppinion and he put me down for it. i never said your oppinion for haveing an imprt was dumb or sucked to work on turbo ****. he has the attitude i am just giveing it back to him.

 

Maybe you should read about what I sell man. It's completely guaranteed against any craftsmanship defects. The only, ONLY way it could screw someones car is if they run too much boost. Do a bit of reading before just opening your mouth next time.

 

Honestly, if people mod their car they better like gauges. It's funny how you say most people don't like gauges when i've never seen a modded car without some sort of gauge pod. If people don't like gauges they shouldn't upgrade their car.

 

where did it say he was modding his car?? he said rich or lean i gave a suggestion and you bashed me. hmmm exactly and you say i am immature when your not even reading what it say's.

 

If he's not going to mod his car, HE DOESNT CARE IF HE'S RUNNING RICH OR LEAN. It's setup to run rich stock so there you go. Getting it dyno'd to find out if his stock car is running rich is as stupid as can be now. IT RUNS RICH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No need for gauges, NO NEED FOR DYNO. I just told him.

 

Well think about this cause someone puts headers exhaust and an intake they want gauges cause they did little bolt on's? No they just want to make sure it is running rich or lean. So what better to do then dyno! no lets put gauges even though we only have bolt ons. See my point for a dyno it doesn't say did heads cam supercharger.... It says rich or lean so a dyno would be the easiest and best way not put guage's. Cause any idiot knows you can gauge your car to find out what's going on. They are in any performance book in the world. So to tell how your car is running after little bolt on's you should just dyno it. Plus if it is a little lean or alittle rich and you go to a good dyno shop they will adjust it for nothing. Can your gauge adjust anything on these cars without a computer or other stuff nope ok then. but like you said in your last post you know nothing about these cars and are here to learn talking isn't makeing you learn anything.

 

Simple bolt ons you say? Would you have a boost gauge if you were turbo'd or supercharged? Damn, forgot THOSE ARE BOLT ON'S. That's right, I forgot your to stupid to realize the advantages to having gauges. You go to dyno, and find out if your running rich at that time. ****, o2 blows out and your running all ****ed up. ****, weather change and your running a bit lean but you don't know because your so opsessed with being right on this one that you refuse to think gauges are a good idea. Fine man, you take your car to a dyno. I will keep my gauges. Oh, I can adjust my air/fuel mixtures without a computer. Bottom line is if your gonna have a street driven car that you race, YOU NEED GAUGES. My name is Petty so I don't have the convienant dyno in my garage. Maybe your some kind of loser that has time to get dyno'd every other week but I don't. If your o2 sensors are ****ed then it sucks to be you. Mine work just fine but I highly doubt that your ls1 o2 sensors are as screwed as you say. I admit it, your too cool for me, your car rocks mine, its soo much better looking, so slick. Let me know when you run 10's again. Can we drop it now? It's kind of pointless to keep this bull**** arguement up considering the only reason everyone backs you up is because you own a camaro. Your part of the "in" crowd on this forum. That's cool with me, I don't really care. But let's see who the bigger man is. I'm done. Nice talking with you. Maybe I see you at track sometime.

 

Can we drop it now?

 

ok lets try this again if he isn't useing any major mods such as superchargers turbo's...... and just has bolt ons or stuff liek that there is no need for gauges. there fore the best idea would be a dyno if you said in your oppinion a gauge is better than a dyno that would be fine but you said these guys are dumb wich clearly in what i am saying is dumb to put gauges in your car instead of just checking it on a dyno. if you would read what i have said you would know that i am agreeing that gauges are a good thing when you have mods to need them but you obviously havce selective reading. so if you want to realize that then yes we will drop it.

 

Good job...

 

he'll be banned before too long. I give him less than a month longer on this site and he's gonna **** off the wrong person. He's a complete moron and shows his mentality is less than the average ricer.

As for what I drive, currently a 2002 Lightning that runs 11's in the 1/4 w/ no additional power adder besides the stock blower, on a very safe tune that I created myself (I am a DiabloSport tuner).

As for 4 bangers, I know them all too well. I've owned a couple of DSM's. They can be made to run extremely fast; been there, done that. They also have weak transmissions and their pistons and rods are about as strong as a twig.

Once again, you can not ever accurately tune a vehicle unless you have a true wideband, and this is even more crucial for vehicles with additional power adders.

And, yes, those parts can be had at Lowe's or Home Depot for less than 5 bucks.

 

To end this arguement, there are advantages of doing this both ways.

For somebody running FI or nitrous having the gauges in the car is a good idea, especially since it can and will save you in the event that something goes wrong. If guys choose to tune using their O2's and EGT, fine I'm sure you can get by just fine. If your ride is high-maintenance they're probably a must-have.

For a lightly modded car with no nitrous or FI, just getting a dyno tune done with a wideband is good enough since you don't need to constantly tune your car. Some people want to keep their cars stock appearance, gauges defeat that, for a lightly modded car you don't need them. As long as you go on a hot day or under "less than optimal" conditions, if you get a slightly rich tune you'll be fine for all scenarios.. lightly modded N/A cars don't need to have an A-pillar full of gauges unless the owner wants them for some reason. As previously stated, a lightly modded car with a set of longtubes and a cam needs to have tuning done once to get the car running correctly, after that though it should not need to be done again.

FWIW, this conversation gains nothing by name calling and "my car is faster than yours". Lets try to keep our eyes on the ball and stick to talking about A/F ratios and O2 sensors since that is what this topic should be about...

 

jeeez
i woulda never of thought id start a flame war by askin a "simple" question.

u guys need to puff puff PASS!

relax a little

 

The guy who said don't use a wideband needs some anger management classes. That's a perfectly good way to work on your a/f ratio. Nobody said it was the only way. There is more than one way to do anything. You are really messed up in the head, and egotistical. You have cursed and ranted arguing something that there is no way to argue. How can you deny using a wideband will test your a/f ratio. You can't. In fact it is very accurate. Tons of heads/cam cars with a tune from a dyno running in excellent condition. What is the problem? It appears to be a way of working with a/f ratio's to me. That answered the question, how the heck do you have the nerve to call somebody stupid over that answer and start flaming? If somebody asked you what a way was to increase power, and somebody said heads and cam. You wouldn't jump in and starting cursing them out saying its wrong they need nitrous its cheaper. Then continue to talk about how your mature, and that you have used nitrous for years its awesome. You should really read your messages again, and look at the ridicolous attitude you have. The correct response would have been. I prefer to do this method, but you can use whatever method you want to.

Impression:

**** YOU! Tune your car using guages, egt, etc. You are dumb ****'n idiots. I am smart. I drive a mitsubishi eclipse in the 9's and do this every day you ****'n idiots. Let me teach you something. You are idiots. I am smart. Your way is dumb, and my way is good because I am a genius. You are as stupid as a horses ***. All you do is tune based off of the average voltage. Because I do that, and my way is the good way, and your way is dumb. You are immature and ****ing idiots. I am very mature, and you should worship me. You are just mad because I drive a mitsubishi. 4 cylinders beat v8's. I'm done here,you guys are so ****'n immature!

News flash:
Get a Life! People are making fun of you and your car because you are acting like an idiot. Not because they think 4 cylinders suck. More likely, they are praying that you will see those insults, and you will stop trolling around our forum pretending to know everything. Maybe you can go over and troll over on another forum where they will appreciate your sheer lack of respect for other people. Good luck though, as I think you will probably be banned from whatever forum you go to, just like hopefully very soon you will be from this one.

P.S. All SS's and Z28's do not run 12's.. In fact it is *VERY* few, as it is mostly weather and elevation based. Go to the ls1 forums and count I imagine it's definately less than 5% of guys on there have ran in the 12's stock. Possibly alot lower than that.