This was on a poor 2.2 60ft. I hadn't learned the slip the clutch technique yet.

What's that?

 

I think that this board tends to treat LS1s as low 13 second cars in stock form. While I am not doubting this, these are the freaks. LS1s are mid-high 13 second cars, that are capable of hitting low 13s maybe the freaks high 12s on a set of DRs. They have the power to be low 13s stock, they just need good hookup. What Im really noticing on this board though is that these people are running around claiming 13.1 or 13.2 with poor 60 foot times. When in reality there are people with LS1s with a lid, exhaust, free mods, running 13.5ish.

These cars do not run low 13s on poor 60 foot times. 01-02 models may run mid 13s on a poor 60, and 98-00 high. But unless u got better than stock tires or can drive extremely well, only then can a stock LS1, other than tires, run low 13s, and freaks from the factory 12s.

 

actually your wrong....many people with stock cars have ran low 13s...STOCK
i have seen it many times with my own eyes....

 

Go to the Michigan section on this board and look up DETROIT_AREA_00_SS. I was at the track in Oct, 2001 when his car was new. I had a chance to run it and lost. I think he posted a 12.7-12.8 with stock tires all around. I think the only thing that was done on it was a lid. So, even without the Lid the car would run in the 12s easily. He only has a few basic mods on it now and it runs 12.5s on stock tires and low rear end ratio.

Bill

 

Hey stick, reread my post more carefully, I said that the LS1s are capable of pulling low 13s in stock form however it would require a decent 60 foot times. Im just saying that people keep claiming that they have terrible 60 foots and still pull low 13s. Maybe a factory freak can, im saying that people say that an average LS1 with a poor 60' can go low 13s. Only with a 60 foot.

 

Actually, I agree with you. Back when I did this, the underrated performance of the LS1 hadn't been exposed. It was kinda funny, really. It was a ton of fun! I usually pulled 3 or 4 cars on any LS1 that I raced..some of that can be attributed to driving..but I do think my car was slightly stronger than their cars. Guys were running 13.7s and 13.8s @105 mph in M6 LS1s. Those were the fancy cars (SS's and WS6's) and it just didn't make sense to them that I was going low 13s.

A little later on, when my mods were a lid, flowmaster muffler, and home-ported MAF, I ran a 13.3@109.5 mph with a 2.4 60ft in Ennis, Texas (track was essentially unpreped, hence spinning and a 2.4). On that run, I was pitted against a heads/cam '94 mustang that ran a 13.6@106..after the run, he accused me of spraying! (LOL..if he only knew. I wonder if he knows the truth by now.) When I reported that on a local message board, I was called a liar...people were saying that I must have been hiding some head work or something. How could my car run 109 mph and a low 13 on a 2.4 60ft..when others were running high and mid 13s on 2.2 60fts?

I'm really not that bad a driver, though. Those are just examples of my poor 60ft/surprising ET combinations. I did eventually figure out how to get good 60ft times..And I drove some of the other "slow" LS1s to decent times. It turns out that the difference wasn't as big as it appeared. I drove a stock 2000 WS6 M6 to a 13.5@106 when the owner was getting high 13s and low 14s. I only took one run..I'll bet I could have whittled it down to a 13.3 with some more chances. I also drove a bolt-on WS6 to a 12.7@109 when the owner was running low 13s.

I've never personally seen another stock LS1 trap 108 like mine did..but some have come close. Of course, I haven't seen any '01 or '02s run..and those are supposed to be a little more powerful. And the performance of my car back then wouldn't be anything special now. Guys are past that.

No one can be told what the "slip the clutch technique" is...you have to see it for yourself..

I can only show you the door..you have to go through it..

 

2001 Z28, T-tops M6

With only a Wisper air lid and K&N I ran 13.1@105, 2.05 60" and dynoed at 303rw/hp and 304rw/torq.

I'm no where near a great driver. This was my first time at the track with a car (I had run my bike a lot before)

The first 3 runs where something like 13.8, 13.6, 13.7.. I was feeling sort of mad but I couldn't do better and parked the car. After eating a hotdog and watching everyone go by I had to try again... I staged with a newer 4.6GT and I was so focused on wiping the track with him... I did! Ran 13.1

A girl there with a black WS6 and drags who was giving me driving tips seemd a little mifed when I ran a faster time than her( she was running 13.3)

I can't rember where I put the time slips and dyno sheet from last year.. I moved and it all got tossed into a box. I guess I'll have to dig it out now that it's that time of year again.

I wanted to ask.. how do you guys with M6'es launch? I seem to do my best when I hold the engine at about 3.3k rpm and work the gas and clutch just right on launch..I can just feel how to launch and not spin the wheels, also keeping the rpm's up enought not to bog down the engine. I don't know if otheres do it like this. I guess I got this from racing my bike, somehow I can feel how much I can give it with out breaking the tires loose.



Bart

 

I went 12.80 stock with my 99 Trans Am.

 

At least all stock thats what it takes with these cars.Slip the clutch and get a tiny bit of spin out of the tires.My car did a 1.82 60ft on a well prepped track.

 

ChrisLS1Bird,

then show me the door. :P

I'm sure, with a little detail, you could explain step by step what that is... I'm still learning how to drive (I don't even know how to really burn out yet), so I'm always eager to learn new things such as this....

At least try? For a fellow ls1 brother?