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Old Mar 8, 2007 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SpeedDemon02SS
i look at your descriptions, and the procharger is 100% of what i want. I want the power always there so i dont want spray. i want the car to be road friendly because i do drive it on the street. i want low end power over the high end. and i dont want to rebuild my motor, it only has 35,000 miles on it.
If those are your goals, I'd definetly go with the Procharger, like I said before.
Old Mar 8, 2007 | 02:46 PM
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Not to hijack this thread or anything, but I have a few questions - hopefully this will help the OP with his choice.

If we are talking a completely stock motor, what kind of support would you need with a blower? The obvious to me would be injectors, a good tune, and a fuel pump. Is stock ignition fine?

What does this look like on internals? Lets shoot with what seems to be the average, 5 PSI. With the stock LS1 compression ratio, rings, 93 octane, etc, what are you looking at for maintenance? How many miles can you put on a blower before your looking at significant maintenance?

As spring is coming, and leaves are growing on the trees, ideas are growing in my head. I have always been a Heads/Cam guy, but that was back in the track days. My car is going to be for mostly fun and dance on the street, much like the OPs it sounds like.

Anyways, sorry for the interruption. I look forward to more info from Kraest, if you wouldn't mind educating us further.

Thanks
Old Mar 8, 2007 | 03:04 PM
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From what i understand, you will NEED to do the following with the blower:\
Injectors, fuel pump, belts, tune. Depending on what kit you get, some things are included in the kit. I do belive procharger gives you a fuel pump and injectors, as well as the belt and tuner.

You SHOULD upgrade: water pump and radiator to get the added cooling. Also needed is some more gauges. PSI, better oil pressure, better temp.

If you run with the mild/average boost, it is 4-5psi. aggressive is 7psi and you cant run that on pump gas. you also need a liquid intercooler instead of the air cooled intercooler. Procharger has a intercooler kit that comes with it.

your engine life is going to be based on your driving. if you like to ride out the gears alot, you run the risk of breaking something sooner. if you play it nice, it shoulnt shorten engine life that bad. also, stick with the 4-5 psi.

im sure i missed something, so anyone please chime in.
Old Mar 8, 2007 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SpeedDemon02SS
From what i understand, you will NEED to do the following with the blower:\
Injectors, fuel pump, belts, tune. Depending on what kit you get, some things are included in the kit. I do belive procharger gives you a fuel pump and injectors, as well as the belt and tuner.

You SHOULD upgrade: water pump and radiator to get the added cooling. Also needed is some more gauges. PSI, better oil pressure, better temp.

If you run with the mild/average boost, it is 4-5psi. aggressive is 7psi and you cant run that on pump gas. you also need a liquid intercooler instead of the air cooled intercooler. Procharger has a intercooler kit that comes with it.

your engine life is going to be based on your driving. if you like to ride out the gears alot, you run the risk of breaking something sooner. if you play it nice, it shoulnt shorten engine life that bad. also, stick with the 4-5 psi.

im sure i missed something, so anyone please chime in.
i would like to take the chance to say that u are wrong. My friend represents procharger with his 03 SVT w/ f1-a pushing 25psi, he finally had to upgrade from the stock water-cooled intercooler, to an air-to-air intercooler so that he can run more boost and such. Im no expert on FI, but i would think air-intercooled is better than water-intercooled
also, i never realized procharger stuff is that expensive, i know its not for me lol
Old Mar 8, 2007 | 05:37 PM
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I think he was meaning to methanol/water inject for intercooling. If I ever step up pullies to 7psi, I will inject. That is in addition to the air to air intercoolers. So far, with my minimal testing, I only see about 15-20 deg intake rise with the blower thanks to the upgraded intercoolers I got.
Old Mar 8, 2007 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by WheelmanZ28
If we are talking a completely stock motor, what kind of support would you need with a blower? The obvious to me would be injectors, a good tune, and a fuel pump. Is stock ignition fine?

What does this look like on internals? Lets shoot with what seems to be the average, 5 PSI. With the stock LS1 compression ratio, rings, 93 octane, etc, what are you looking at for maintenance? How many miles can you put on a blower before your looking at significant maintenance?

Anyways, sorry for the interruption. I look forward to more info from Kraest, if you wouldn't mind educating us further.

Thanks
The stock ignition is fine for any setup that I've ever seen. You'd need 36-42# (the 36# Ford Motorsports will work closer to 42# using the LS1 fuel pressure, so those would be perfect if you're using the stock pulley. Get the 42# FMS if you want to be safe or want more boost in the future.) Maintenance on it is the same as any other car (I'd run a full synthetic oil changed 3-5k miles) along with changing the Procharger oil, which they recommend changing every 6000 miles. You will also need an aftermarket fuel pump (255lph) like the Racetronix or something similar. Properly maintained, the blower will last indefinitely. I know the one on my other car was on the car for 3 years and the car operated flawlessly.

Originally Posted by SpeedDemon02SS
From what i understand, you will NEED to do the following with the blower:
You SHOULD upgrade: water pump and radiator to get the added cooling. Also needed is some more gauges. PSI, better oil pressure, better temp.

If you run with the mild/average boost, it is 4-5psi. aggressive is 7psi and you cant run that on pump gas. you also need a liquid intercooler instead of the air cooled intercooler. Procharger has a intercooler kit that comes with it.
The stock water pump and radiator are fine and there's no need to upgrade to a gauge pod unless you like the way they look. The stock stuff works fine.
The Air-Air intercooler works very well. The stock system is at 5-7psi.

If you want to run more boost, the easiest way is to get lower compression is to buy some cheap LQ9 heads, which are around 72cc and will lower the compression to around 9.5-9.6:1

Mike
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