Since when?

 

Well the majority from the forums that I look at seem to keep the Gear's w2ell below the 4.11's that I have in my 69 Camaro.It seems that alot of guys keep them stock with minor bolt ons compared to the H/C/I crowd that Im a part of.Those guy's would benefit from a 3.73 or higher number Gears.It seems like less Camaro's are modified (98-02) then lets say the 03-04 Cobra.Of course the Cobra is a bit easier to modify then the LS1's.Also 4.11's with no overdrive like in my car just cannot be fun on the highway.I have never been on the highway for more then a 5 to 7 mile stretch but alot of noise and Taching.

 

All that is purely a matter of perspective so I really don't know what you're talking about. The Cobra point contradicts what I've seen, since all the car shows I go to around here with 03 Cobras have maybe a pulley and exhaust. Regardless, as I said, this is all perspective, and irrelevant. The vast majority of the LS1 people I associate with are heavily modded H/C cars for the most part. The LSx motor aftermarket has really sprung alive. I remember in my LT1 days when everything LSx based costed a fortune. Now that the platform has been out for awhile and diversified (LS2, etc) there are many options that are affordable and full of variety.

A 4.11 is pretty much a track gear for an automatic. Doesn't make much sense for a drive-around car (especially no OD). A modded LS1 doesn't have to be a "weekend car", which is why some people opt for a 3-series gear. Plus with a lot of cams and setups making good power below the curve, a 4 series gear isn't always necessary to reap the benefits of all that power.

I personally would be rockin a 4.11 in a 9 inch right now, but I'm moving up to a C5 Z06 next year and it doesnt make much sense to drop that kind of dollar on a car im only going to drive for a few more months. I'd go with that gear set cuz I have an M6.

 

If I do get an LS1 I would like the stroker motor that is just above 400 cubic inches.I think a 3.73 Gear should do well in a 6 speed depending upon the Cam and set up.Even a 4.11 gear in a 6 speed must be a little rough on the MPG's.I don't know if I luike the fact that the LS1's 'power curve doesn't have that instant torque of an LT1 or Chevy Big Block.

 

You need to drive one before you make statements like that. It just shows what you don't know about Gen III/IV motors and the cars that they are in.

T56 transmissions have an over drive 5th gear and 6th gear. 6th gear is a .5 to 1 ratio so that even with 4.11 gears the final result when in 6th is like you haveing 2.05 to 1 rear gears in your 69.
And you know nothing about how the torque curve feels until you drive one.
Like I already said, find one to drive, you'll either be amazed or not. But you won't be guessing based on internet chatter.

 

It doesn't make much difference right now.People are not buying toy's right now and if they are they are waiting to get them very cheap.I have had my 69 Camaro for sale since May and no one is interested around my area.I won't sell it unless I get a decent offer.The ways things are going it looks like I will keep the 69 and have to go with some good overdrive transmission because 4.11's with no overdrive does not make for a friendly street or highway car.At least the LS1's are not as much considered as toy's like the 69's are and always will be.

 

402 and 408 are a common stroker motor size for "upgrading" from a stock block motor.

A 3.73 is well under geared for a manual LS1. The stock gearing on my WS6 is a 3.42 so a 3.73 isn't much of an upgrade. With the depth of the 5th and 6th gear, its not "rough" on mpg in any way, u just have to do a little more shifting.

Please re-read my statement. "throw you back" torque isn't the only torque, and nor is it the "best" kind. What I said is that the LS1 torque curve is smoother, meaning it builds consistently throughout the curve. IMO, this is one of the greatest features of the LS1 motor.

Statements like this are kinda starting to annoy me. What point are you trying to make with all your generalizations about LS1s? The LS motor aftermarket is a very thorough, and offers a great breadth of versatility. They respond well to power adders as well, with capability of handling a significant shot of nitrous on a stock setup. In the aftermarket realm, people are hitting incredible numbers with superchargers, turbos, and twin turbos. There is almost as much available for them as any gen I SBC/BBC motor.

My car is a toy that I can drive everyday to work, on the weekends, roll into a car show with, go on a road trip with, wind out on the dyno, and lay down some respectable quarter mile times. Your car being older doesn't change any of the facets that the LS1 is capable of.

 

The LS1 Camaro's are nice car's but rolling down the street with a nice 69 Camaro with racing stripes,there's no comparison in what draws more attention.I understand about the smoother torque which is somewhat like my 87 Turbo Regal but with difference's of course.Can't compare a Turbo to a NA car.When a car can't get 10 mpg and has that old Rat sound it becomes more of a toy for people who are buying or not buying car's right now.A toy is whatever one thinks his car is.Not saying your car is not a toy.I would probably like the LS1 Camaro over my 69 because I just don't have the thrill anymore of all the attention getting the car has gotten for me over the year's.To much attention.I have to get myself into an LS1 first then I will know.Maybe someone would make me a trade offer plus some cash for the 69.

 

Put 3.73s in that thing. Unless you have it cammed to hell that sob builds enough mid/low end torque w/ stock cam/heads to be just as fun (if not perform better) with 3.73 or lower gears.

Gen I small/big block chevy engines just take a lot more work to even come close to the potential of at stock let alone slightly modded Gen III engine.

It's just a better design all the way around. Much better head designs, 6-Bolt Mains, etc etc etc.

LS Engines have been known to turn up to 6,800 RPM on the STOCK bottom end without failures; try doing that on a Gen I (small or big) and you won't get much past 5,500 rpm.

I love Gen I Small/Big Blocks as I have had both, but LS1 engines will rape all stock old school small blocks, and give the big blocks a damn good run for their money if not beat them as well.

 

yah new best 13.506 with the street tires

 

nice man, getting better!

What was the 60' on that pass?

 

Bring that big gas guzzling big block over here 6-9 mpg
This is how terribly a little LS1 runs with a cam, exhaust, and headers. Figure around 500 horsepower on 346ci.

 

Kraest! Welcome back. Don't mind this guy, he likes to make baseless insults about LS1s to brag about his ALLEGED "396 Camaro".

You dissappeared right after I got my F13 cam and head setup. I posted the results, you should check them out. Thanks again for your advice.

 

Is that 400 or 500 Horsepower in that video??Also I couldn't tell but was that Camaro a 6 speed or Auto?? I never said my 69 396 Camaro had a better engine then a LS1.I almost had 2 buyer's both both of them wanted something more stock.My 69 sounds and looks like a Hot Rod.I may have to lower the price.

 

Also that looked like to smoothe a ride for 500 Horsepower.If it is a 346 and makes 500 Horsepower thats impressive.Does it have huge Cam and is it daily driveable unlike my 69 396/402 69 Camaro??