OLD 69

Just wondering what are the major difference's between the 2 motor's?? I have been seriously thinking of putting one of these motors in my 69 Camaro.I was hoping to sell the 69 Camaro but nobody seems to be buying old muscle car's at market value except for a few rare cars.I know the swap is not going to be easy.In fact I have never pulled a motor out of a car,so this might be rather lengthy.I don't want to have some shop do it so I get ripped off.Even though my car is a SS 396 car it does not have the original engine.I think an LS1 or LS2 engine may increase the car's value.I don't know how much this swap will cost me.I will certainly have a car that I put aloy of $$$ in over the year's.Im just not going to give it away at a low price so someone gets a great deal on the car.

WhiteHawk

LS2 has the good heads (243 casting). 2001 and 2002 LS1's have the same intake as the LS6's though. I think LS2's have a little bit more compression.

From the factory, LS2's are rated about 50 or so more HP, If you are going to mod it, though, just get an LS1 since most of the stuff that makes them better will get upgraded anyways. Staying stock? Get an LS2.

-Geoff

OLD 69

I don't like keeping my car's stock.I want something I can drive around and get near 20 MPG.My 396 SS Camaro I don't know what it gets but it can't ge all that good.I like to take advantage of the new tech.I did want to sell my 69 Camaro but the market right now for selling them in my area is just not good.I do think a LS1 69 Camaro would not huirt the value of the car since the 396 motor is not the original motor anyway.I have to see what a LS1 swap is going to cost me.I would rather have a stroked LSX block to around 408 Cubic inches but I want something that can get about 20 miles to the gallon with 4.11 Gear's with the M6 Transmission.I know I have read alot of guys putting an LS1 into there 69 Camaro.Im no mechanic and I would need help.It might be a smaller engine but that still doesn't make it easy.

Mike94ZLT1

The LS2 has a 4.00" bore as opposed to a 3.89" bore. The cam position sensor has been relocated to the timing cover, and the knock sensors are on the sides of the block as opposed to under the intake valley. It uses the same heads as the 2002-2004 Z06, however it does not have the same sodium filled valves. It uses a revised intake manifold with a 90mm tb instead of a 78mm tb, and the injectors and fuel rail is different too. Most parts will interchange between the two engines, but given a choice I would pick the LS2. If you want to go 408 you either have to use an Iron 6.0 truck block, or you can do it with an LS2 block. The largest you can take an LS1-LS6 block WITHOUT SLEEVING or going with a retarded 4.1" crank is 383 cubes, which is what I have. I am yanking it soon, I regret doing it.

Kraest

Like everyone else said, it's basically your LS6 top-end with a bigger bore block for 18 more cubes. Neither aluminum block can be bored for really big cube motors, but like Mike said... The LS2 can be built into a 4.0"x4.0" square motor for 402ci, while the LS1 can only go 383 with a stupid undersquared setup like he did... dumbass...

Wet-sleeving the block? Deep pockets and the sky is the limit.

Mike

Mike94ZLT1

At least I know it won't have any problems smacking around a certain 98 Camaro 3.905" x 4.00" isn't too bad, hell, look at the 5.4 liter ford! 3.55 x 4.17 FROM THE FACTORY!! I'm already working on a 416 LS3 based stroker to replace it, I am just trying to decide if I want to drop the compression for a blower or not. I am yanking the 382 to put in the GF's WS6 and selling her stock LS1 for mod money.

OLD 69

ok,now the problem is finding a 98-02 Camaro with a LS2.I aint going to find one.Any suggestion's??

WheelmanZ28

Drive one with a LS1 first?

OLD 69

A stock one?? I know those stock gear's are a bit undergeared. Its gotta to me a major improvement then the first generation Camaro that I am finally getting rid of soon.For me I got to have the M6 though.I would rather get one that is stock so I have an idea that the car wasn't abused to badly.Im going to start looking around starting tommorow.I guess the year of the car is not a big difference if Im going to have mods done later on.One concern is how I fit in the car.Im not fat but Im about 6'1 to 6'2.I want the car to be comfortable as well.

WheelmanZ28

you figured out what I was hinting at in this post.

First, you have never driven an LS1. Get a feel for it first. No reason to start planning for a different engine when you don't even know what a stock one is capable of. You said yourself you're looking for the 400-425 HP range. That is easily accomplished on a stock short block LS1 with heads and cam, you'll even end up higher than ur goals.

Second, you hit the nail on the head with the abuse. You don't always want to buy a car with a different engine in it unless you know EXACTLY what ur getting into. Plus, every engine performs differently. A 408 is not just a 408. There are high CR N/A motors, low compression motors for boost, etc.

The reason I give you crap in a lot of your threads is that you make a lot of baseless statements against the LS1 when you have literally no experience with one. Go out and try it. If you feel you want more power, we'll be here to help. Just don't get to far ahead of yourself until you have a grasp on what you really want.

OLD 69

Im going to take my time because next week it looks like my 69 camaro will be sold.Im also in the process of selling my home,so I want to get settled first and make sure I find a place with a garage.I don't know if its wise to keep these car's without a garage.In the mean time I will be looking around for an LS1 car with the M6 to test drive.Hopefully I will like it performance wise and how the car feels as far as being comfortable on long drive's.There was no reason for me to test drive an LS1 Camaro until I got rid of my first generation Camaro.Im hoping next week.