Car Performance
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Yo
I am going to purchase a LS1... probably a 2000 or 2001, not sure which yet... i'm actually curious to know if there is a difference between the two actually...?
But anyway... when I get my LS1, I want to know what performance upgrades will be suitable for driving. Theres a few I want without question which is Exhaust, Headers, and a sick *** Ram Air Hood, but other than that, some other goodies that will help my mpg, and everyday driving needs. I might do intake just for the hell of it and its so easy, but if all it does is add like 3hp than I won't even care for it.
Thanks in advance fellas
Chris
I am going to purchase a LS1... probably a 2000 or 2001, not sure which yet... i'm actually curious to know if there is a difference between the two actually...?
But anyway... when I get my LS1, I want to know what performance upgrades will be suitable for driving. Theres a few I want without question which is Exhaust, Headers, and a sick *** Ram Air Hood, but other than that, some other goodies that will help my mpg, and everyday driving needs. I might do intake just for the hell of it and its so easy, but if all it does is add like 3hp than I won't even care for it.
Thanks in advance fellas
Chris
There is a big difference between the two years. The 2001 & 2002 LS1's came with LS6 intake and dyno'd a good 10-15 RWHP better then 1998-2000 models. So if you can swing it, get the 2001.
As far as mods go that depends on whether you get a M6 or A4 to start with.
A4 get a 3000-3800 stall torque converter with trans cooler, lid or fipk, Drag radials for traction, ported TB, STB and SFC.
That would be a good start along with the exhaust and headers your getting.
M6 get a B & M ripper shifter, skip shift eliminator, 3.78 or 4.10 gears, moser 12 bolt, lid or FIPK, ported TB, drag radials for traction, STB and SFC.
That would be a good setup for the M6. Then if you want to get real into it, look at cams, heads, N20, supercharger.
But definately start with lid/fipk and catback and work from there based on finances.
Good Luck
As far as mods go that depends on whether you get a M6 or A4 to start with.
A4 get a 3000-3800 stall torque converter with trans cooler, lid or fipk, Drag radials for traction, ported TB, STB and SFC.
That would be a good start along with the exhaust and headers your getting.
M6 get a B & M ripper shifter, skip shift eliminator, 3.78 or 4.10 gears, moser 12 bolt, lid or FIPK, ported TB, drag radials for traction, STB and SFC.
That would be a good setup for the M6. Then if you want to get real into it, look at cams, heads, N20, supercharger.
But definately start with lid/fipk and catback and work from there based on finances.
Good Luck
Yo
Yea I forgot to mention its definitely manual, hate automatics, I think they are so incredibly gay for muscles cars. If you want an automatic, buy a camry... Sorry to all your A4 drivers...
But a B & M ripper shifter, skip shift eliminator, 3.78 or 4.10 gears, moser 12 bolt, lid or FIPK, ported TB, drag radials for traction, STB and SFC. With all the good stuff you mentioned... what will that improve, that looks like racing setup... I'm probably mistaken since i'm fairly new to car part upgrades and crap like that.
Like I have no idea what a B&M Ripper Shifter, Skip Shift Eliminator, Moser 12 Bolt, Lid or FIPK, Ported TB, STB and SFC mean... wtf is all that crap?! L0L Sorry man... cut me some slack... :-(
Chris
Yea I forgot to mention its definitely manual, hate automatics, I think they are so incredibly gay for muscles cars. If you want an automatic, buy a camry... Sorry to all your A4 drivers...
But a B & M ripper shifter, skip shift eliminator, 3.78 or 4.10 gears, moser 12 bolt, lid or FIPK, ported TB, drag radials for traction, STB and SFC. With all the good stuff you mentioned... what will that improve, that looks like racing setup... I'm probably mistaken since i'm fairly new to car part upgrades and crap like that.
Like I have no idea what a B&M Ripper Shifter, Skip Shift Eliminator, Moser 12 Bolt, Lid or FIPK, Ported TB, STB and SFC mean... wtf is all that crap?! L0L Sorry man... cut me some slack... :-(
Chris
Most of it is for HP gains to make your car faster but I will break them down for you.
B & M ripper shifter. It replaces the stock one which everyone says sucks. It won't give you any form of gain other then shifting will be easier and faster. From what all the M6 guys say it's the first thing you should buy.
Skip shift eliminator is a little device that disables some annoying feature in the M6 cars. I don't have all the info on it because I have an A4 but the M6 guys all hate the skip shift feature and for $20 bucks it's a must have from what I understand.
3.78 or 4.10 gears will give you more power down low. You will get more aggressive launches with a taller gear but will lose a little fuel economy for it. It sounds like you won't want to upgrade these afterall since you don't seem real interested in racing and concerned with fuel economy.
Moser 12 bolt rear end would replace the stock 10 bolt you would have. This is stronger and will take the abuse of hard launches that M6 cars with decent tires can produce. However if you do not plan to race at the track or make a habit of high RPM launches on Drag radials/ET streets then you don't need this one either.
Lid or FIPK. The stock airbox lid has these baffles that are silencers attatched to them. They rob you of HP so everyone gets an aftermarket lid to gain about 10 RWHP for $100.00. But if you don't care about racing, dyno charts or more power then you don't need this one either. The FIPK is a open filter system that they claim adds 20 RWHP and replaces the lid and airbox but it's not too pretty IMO.
Ported Throttle body. It's a nice bolt-on replacement for the stock throttle body. It should add something like 5 RWHP but again it's not needed if you don't care about more power.
Drag radials. Nitto 555r or BFG are popular replacement tires for getting better traction. These are generally used by people who want to launch hard on the street or at the track with less tire spin. You may not need this these either if hard launches are not a concern for you.
STB is strut tower brace. It's a bar that goes across your engine bay for better support. It's nice to have when you are pushing a lot of torque into hard launches. You may not need this mod either.
SFC is sub frame connectors. These attatch to the chassis under your car for better cornering and eliminating/preventing internal vibrations and sounds. This is one I highly recommend still getting since it'll improve the quality of everyday driving.
Basically if you have no concerns or desires to race at the track and or get dyno charts that show how much horse power and torque you are making then just get the following.
B & M ripper shifter
Skip shift eliminator
Sub frame connectors
Catback or muffler (purely for sound if you want louder then stock)
Thats really all you need if your not looking to go faster or make more horses then the 290-320 you'll have all ready. And BTW all the fastest LS1's at the track are automatics.
95% of the serious drag racing LS1 owners will get an auto and put a monster 4400 stall TC in it. So that is why the A4 exists, to beat all the M6 guys at the track :-)
B & M ripper shifter. It replaces the stock one which everyone says sucks. It won't give you any form of gain other then shifting will be easier and faster. From what all the M6 guys say it's the first thing you should buy.
Skip shift eliminator is a little device that disables some annoying feature in the M6 cars. I don't have all the info on it because I have an A4 but the M6 guys all hate the skip shift feature and for $20 bucks it's a must have from what I understand.
3.78 or 4.10 gears will give you more power down low. You will get more aggressive launches with a taller gear but will lose a little fuel economy for it. It sounds like you won't want to upgrade these afterall since you don't seem real interested in racing and concerned with fuel economy.
Moser 12 bolt rear end would replace the stock 10 bolt you would have. This is stronger and will take the abuse of hard launches that M6 cars with decent tires can produce. However if you do not plan to race at the track or make a habit of high RPM launches on Drag radials/ET streets then you don't need this one either.
Lid or FIPK. The stock airbox lid has these baffles that are silencers attatched to them. They rob you of HP so everyone gets an aftermarket lid to gain about 10 RWHP for $100.00. But if you don't care about racing, dyno charts or more power then you don't need this one either. The FIPK is a open filter system that they claim adds 20 RWHP and replaces the lid and airbox but it's not too pretty IMO.
Ported Throttle body. It's a nice bolt-on replacement for the stock throttle body. It should add something like 5 RWHP but again it's not needed if you don't care about more power.
Drag radials. Nitto 555r or BFG are popular replacement tires for getting better traction. These are generally used by people who want to launch hard on the street or at the track with less tire spin. You may not need this these either if hard launches are not a concern for you.
STB is strut tower brace. It's a bar that goes across your engine bay for better support. It's nice to have when you are pushing a lot of torque into hard launches. You may not need this mod either.
SFC is sub frame connectors. These attatch to the chassis under your car for better cornering and eliminating/preventing internal vibrations and sounds. This is one I highly recommend still getting since it'll improve the quality of everyday driving.
Basically if you have no concerns or desires to race at the track and or get dyno charts that show how much horse power and torque you are making then just get the following.
B & M ripper shifter
Skip shift eliminator
Sub frame connectors
Catback or muffler (purely for sound if you want louder then stock)
Thats really all you need if your not looking to go faster or make more horses then the 290-320 you'll have all ready. And BTW all the fastest LS1's at the track are automatics.
95% of the serious drag racing LS1 owners will get an auto and put a monster 4400 stall TC in it. So that is why the A4 exists, to beat all the M6 guys at the track :-)
Yo
Damn... thanks a ****load!! You explained everything, that was totally not needed, but totally freakin appreciated. Thanks so much dude...
How much would all that crap cost man, just curious because it just seems like a lot. L0L
Chris
P.S. Im 19, so i'll definitely race, but only if I see a little freakin Civic or Accord with those annoying Mufflers. I hate imports so much.
Damn... thanks a ****load!! You explained everything, that was totally not needed, but totally freakin appreciated. Thanks so much dude...
How much would all that crap cost man, just curious because it just seems like a lot. L0L
Chris
P.S. Im 19, so i'll definitely race, but only if I see a little freakin Civic or Accord with those annoying Mufflers. I hate imports so much.
Np bro. I got time and some knowledge to pass along.
Ok the rough costs would be....
B & M ripper shifter $180.00
Skip shift eliminator $20.00
Sub frame connectors $120.00
Muffler $50.00 for Bullet race muffler to sound really loud and mean or $80.00 for hooker aerochamber muffler to sound deep and throaty but not quite as loud.
If you get a whole catback it would be anywhere from $275 to $750 depending on which one you wanted. Personally I would just start with a muffler since that is where the sound and real HP robbing takes place from anyway.
If you get a Lid then add another $100.00
So to get started with a few extra ponies, better handling, better sound and better shifting your looking at about $400-$500 in parts and maybe $100 in labor since the muffler and SFC may need to be welded in by a muffler shop.
Good Luck on your car and enjoy the LS1 power!
P.S. remember too that you don't have to do it all at once. I would do the skip shift eliminator first. Then muffler and sub frame connectors. Then when money is available do the shifter next. Then I'd do the Lid if you wanted the ponies.
Ok the rough costs would be....
B & M ripper shifter $180.00
Skip shift eliminator $20.00
Sub frame connectors $120.00
Muffler $50.00 for Bullet race muffler to sound really loud and mean or $80.00 for hooker aerochamber muffler to sound deep and throaty but not quite as loud.
If you get a whole catback it would be anywhere from $275 to $750 depending on which one you wanted. Personally I would just start with a muffler since that is where the sound and real HP robbing takes place from anyway.
If you get a Lid then add another $100.00
So to get started with a few extra ponies, better handling, better sound and better shifting your looking at about $400-$500 in parts and maybe $100 in labor since the muffler and SFC may need to be welded in by a muffler shop.
Good Luck on your car and enjoy the LS1 power!
P.S. remember too that you don't have to do it all at once. I would do the skip shift eliminator first. Then muffler and sub frame connectors. Then when money is available do the shifter next. Then I'd do the Lid if you wanted the ponies.
Last edited by darrens99formul; Sep 12, 2003 at 06:00 PM.
I understand the reasoning that the '01 and '02 have LS6 intake but I don't think you can say they are better than '00 car. There are several differences not just the intake, and the cars are tuned differently from the factory. This debate goes on the board all the time... They are all fast and you can mod them to make em faster. If you have the money get an '02 if not a '98 could be just as fast IMO.
I lost to a '02 Z06 last night at the track by .2 sec and 1 mph. These are fast fun cars.
Brian
I lost to a '02 Z06 last night at the track by .2 sec and 1 mph. These are fast fun cars.
Brian
Originally posted by ChrisUlrich
Yo
Yea I forgot to mention its definitely manual, hate automatics, I think they are so incredibly gay for muscles cars. If you want an automatic, buy a camry... Sorry to all your A4 drivers...
Yo
Yea I forgot to mention its definitely manual, hate automatics, I think they are so incredibly gay for muscles cars. If you want an automatic, buy a camry... Sorry to all your A4 drivers...
I'll line my gay automatic muscle car up against yours anytime
Stay on this board for awhile, you have much to learn....
-Mike
Yo
I never said Automatics were slow... just gay. I hate the concept of a fast car with no manual gear shifting, just not any fun.
So does anyone disagree with going with a 2000, than upgrading to the LS6 manifold? That way I do get the best of both worlds... what someone saying that the 2000 has the more aggressive cam, but still getting the LS6 intake.
Thanks
I never said Automatics were slow... just gay. I hate the concept of a fast car with no manual gear shifting, just not any fun.
So does anyone disagree with going with a 2000, than upgrading to the LS6 manifold? That way I do get the best of both worlds... what someone saying that the 2000 has the more aggressive cam, but still getting the LS6 intake.
Thanks
Yo
haha, I was hoping no one would realize that was me... I ran into a few things with it. On top of my father denying the loan for me, the car had some problems. He wanted 7500$ for a car that needs new rotors, brakes, replaced head gasket, exhaust that requires welding, a problem with the driver side window, won't even move... to much **** to worry about before I even got it. So what i'm just going to do now is just save for like 1 1/2 year and a half but hopefully sooner, I want to get a 2nd income illegally or not... L0L
But I want a LS1 now no doubt because the 2000-01 are just better cars period ya know... brakes, power, economy, etc... that all true right? Not just rumors i've heard... L0L
I'm just really pissed that I have to wait so god damn long... but one of the main reasons why I want a LS1 Trans Am is because of the Ram Air hood you can put on. The raptor or even the stock WS6 hood, holy christ man they are freakin amazing looking... L0L
Chris
haha, I was hoping no one would realize that was me... I ran into a few things with it. On top of my father denying the loan for me, the car had some problems. He wanted 7500$ for a car that needs new rotors, brakes, replaced head gasket, exhaust that requires welding, a problem with the driver side window, won't even move... to much **** to worry about before I even got it. So what i'm just going to do now is just save for like 1 1/2 year and a half but hopefully sooner, I want to get a 2nd income illegally or not... L0L
But I want a LS1 now no doubt because the 2000-01 are just better cars period ya know... brakes, power, economy, etc... that all true right? Not just rumors i've heard... L0L
I'm just really pissed that I have to wait so god damn long... but one of the main reasons why I want a LS1 Trans Am is because of the Ram Air hood you can put on. The raptor or even the stock WS6 hood, holy christ man they are freakin amazing looking... L0L
Chris



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