i have a 1998 camaro what is the best lid out there?


Sean

 

Any one that isn't from GM.

They're all pretty much the same.

 

I would go with an SLP flo pac. It comes with: Air Lid, K&N filter, Cold Air Intake, and bellow. Im fixing to buy this kit, it supposedly increases hp buy 20+ and it is only around 300 dollars. Go to www.slponline.com and look around they have a lot of different stuff. If you don't like SLP products try a granatelli motorsports lid. They are supposed to work very well also.



2000 Camaro SS
Metallic Pewter
SLP Performance Exhaust
350 HP

 

SLP flowpack is overpriced. Their CAI has no advantage over the FRA mod because it doesn't drop down very far at all. The super sucker ram air (SSRA) is a far better set up (austinperformanceinc.com). The recent issue of GMHTP mag has a test of it. IMO not worth $200 though. The smooth bellow is purely cosmetic. K&N isn't the only brand of gauze filter out there either. I've heard the Holley Powershot seals better (has a thicker rubber seal on it).

My advice, pick up a used lid for ~$50 or so, usually can find a used K&N for ~$20. Quartermileperformance.com sells new lids for $75. Just get one and make sure it seals well. If not, run a foam strip (comes w/adhesive on one side. You can get a large roll from a hardware store for ~$5) on the lowerbox so it will.
Here are some othert sites to try:
http://www.texas-speed.com/
http://www.motorsporttech.com/
http://www.ls1speed.com/
http://www.thunderracing.com/

More advice, try the "SEARCH" feature. This has been covered several times.

 

any lid + SSRA + holley filter = NICE top end gains.

somebody did some track testing with the SSRA, removing the lower scoop..basically turning it into an SLP cai...and they lost .1 sec in the 1/4 mile.

so it's worth something.

does SLP still sell blemished lids really cheap?

 

Ya any lid will do. a better air filter is always better(dont get FRAM. thats what I got and I hate it.) do the FRA mod(SSRA if you have the money)

 

Hey can you use those rounded foam strips auto body shops put in the door jams to keep over spray out? Or do you mean a thin strip? I really and not too sure my SLP is sealed all that great. I have the auto body foam sticky strips but they are semi rounded.

 

anybody have info on the www.quartermileperformance.com airlid? I sure like the price?

 

Which one is the quicktime?

Zach, I just used the gray foam.

 

opps I put quicktime instead of quartermileperformance Don't ask me what the hell I was thinking! Anyway there site doesn't even have a picture, so not sure what this thing is all about.

 

I bet people were waiting to see when I was gonna chime in on this one.. hehhe

anyways..

A LID IS A LID IS A LID. <-- do a search on that and see how many posts come up! hahha

Air Filters - UGH! AC DELCO.. PAPER.. MORE POWER THAN COTTON GAUZE.. WHY BUY A $50 Filter when you can just run paper and have a real clean one when you replace it.. Simple! and other filters lost me 3rwhp repeatedly in tests..

Bellows- Save your $.. Not worth the mod unless you have some quirk about looks and not power.. I couldnt care less about looks. I want power over all. Well SILENCE over all.. Then power..
hehe

 

I'm running it. The Direct Flow. Actually its from when they were LS1 Motorsports. Same thing though. Design is similar to the TSP lid.
It had fitment issues on the backside. The foam seals it up very well though.



Psycho, I use an oiled gauze filter because no paper filter can catch particles like an oiled filter. Dirt particles have an affinity for oil. I'll spare 3 hp for a better filtration.
I have never looked at an air filter as a performance mod. Not to mention, by the 3rd paper filter, the oiled gauze filter is paid for.
Oil filters are the same, some flow better and some filter better. Which do you want for your engine?

 

Are you sure you have the lid on right,The slp lid is very goog fitting lid.Make sure the 4 tabs in the back or in.Also make sure the front middle of the lid is tucked behind the bracket on car.

 

In my 33 yrs of being a car nut and my dads 63yrs of being a mechanic I have never once seen an engine fail from dust. And he is from Israel.. LAND OF SAND! haha
I dont worry about air borne particles because thats futile and miniscule..
I run the paper filter because I prefer it and from many tests, it does seem to filter very adaquately compared to cotton gauze and foam filters.
Now lets look at the 3 air filters cost vs the $50 filter and $10 kit.. (by the way, if I wanted the cheapest reusable filter I would get Amsoil. Their filter is like $40 and the recharge is $3 bottle)
I open my stock lid, remove air filter (cost about 15 seconds), replace with new AC Delco air filter (cost about 30 seconds to remove from box and install) close lid..
Now lets look at K&N - http://www.knpowersports.com/clningins.htm
Looks like alot more than 2 min.. Heck, that looks like several hours waiting for cotton to dry.. Hmmm.. so once you start cleaning it, you cant go driving around unless you had some other filter laying around.. but ya dont want to use any old filter.. dust may get in there.. .hmmmm... interesting.. My time is worth alot.. Alot more than the 1-3 hours it takes to dry a fitler naturally.. Screw that.. replace and go!
Here is a test I found just by using google..
"Those of you who are regulars to the list may remember some fairly
heated debates over the effectiveness of K&N oiled cotton gauze air
filters. In general, we didn't argue over these filters being able to
produce a performance increase (especially in light of some good dyno
tests) but the bone of contention was the ability of these filters to catch
dirt. I had some tests that showed the K&N at least the equal of a paper
filter and talked about an upcoming independant test that would help clear
the air. Pun intended! I have been very busy of late but belatedly here are
the results of those tests.

The tests were done to compare a K&N filter against an AC paper
element (which had an added foam prefilter) and an Amsoil 2 stage oiled
foam filter. An enclosed fan assembly was used that had an airflow rating
of 540 cfm. At that flow, four ounces of dust was introduced to the filter.
This dust had been prepared via geological pulverizing and grain sorting
equipment at the University of Montana to contain 1 ounce of material
larger than .0049" but smaller than .0082" and 3/4 ounce of material larger
than .0082" but smaller than .0098". The remainder was smaller than .0049"
and some was into the "flour" category. Ceramic tiles were placed in the
airflow on the clean side of the filter that had been coated with a tacky
substance to catch dirt.
When the dust cleared, the K&N tile showed the most dirt, with the
AC paper filter only very slightly better. The Amsoil filter was very much
cleaner than either of the other two. Hmmm!
Incidentally, all three filters were tested while clean for
restriction at 540 cfm and there was a negligable difference between them.
The engine for which they are intended needs only about 400cfm, so there
would be no noticable performance lost from one to the other in theory. I
had flow tested a Fram fitler of the same size as well as a K&N and while
the latter flowed about 50% more than the former, the former flowed 40%
more than the engine needed."

Now how do you feel about your K&N?

 

Considering the Delco filter had a foam pre-filter over it, thats hardly a decent comparison, more like trying to skew the results. How did the paper filter work w/out that pre filter? Also, how much oil did they use on the gauze filter? Also, even K&N states that the filter works better when dirty. So, you aren't supposed to keep them crystal clean.

Basically this test shows that the K&N can compete with a double layered non-oiled filter.
Not a very good test because of the prefilter.

Here is a nice link for filter tests. Amsoil isn't what your tests showed:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest3.htm
Granted this also backs up paper filtering better, but it's more scientific seeing how it DOESN'T use the prefilter in conjuntion. However, it isn't in a controlled environment, so there is no telling if all the filters met the same conditions.

BTW, I didn't pay $50 for my K&N it was on the car (if not I would have bought from someone else), and the $10 recharge kit lasts for at least 5 recharges. As for down time while cleaning, I clean it in the evening. It has all night to dry while I'm sleeping. Just have to be smarter than the things you work with.

I still feel fine about K&N. As in your words, "In my 33 yrs of being a car nut and my dads 63yrs of being a mechanic I have never once seen an engine fail from dust. And he is from Israel.. LAND OF SAND! haha
I dont worry about air borne particles because thats futile and miniscule.."

Still some food for thought though.