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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by texas94z
gm doesn't recommend mobile 1 for nothing. gm knows your goin race so it needs the best lubercation as possible. the lsx engines love mobile 1 and its arguably the best syn oil.
Ya, my LS1 loves Mobile 1 so much it'll drink over a quart in 3k miles where as it won't other oils.

As for filters I use Wix, AC, or Super Tech (Walmart brand made by Champion).

I used to run the longer filter, but got a dent my last one on a messed up road so I'm sticking with the shorter one for now. Who knows though, maybe the filter got dented instead of the pan getting cracked....

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Old Mar 5, 2008 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CamaroSS_99
Didnt know we were hee to argue just to give advice, so learn to respect. Heres a article talking about oil filters. http://www.corolland.com/oil-filters.html
Note how the writer decided not to cut open the Mobile 1 filter identically built by Champion, the K/N was built the same. The AC Delco is that great according to this author who disected 8 differnt filters and compared them.
Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. AC Delco is NOT made by FRAM (or actually Honeywell). Fram is a spin-on filter division of Honeywell. Anyhow, I work in the filtration industry and all OEMs will send out a bid for a filter (if there isn't a current design to use) that has to meet certain requirements. OEMs set the standard (GM), NOT the filter companies. If Honeywell (FRAM) wants a chance to sell an AC Delco filter then they have to put a bid in that meets the demands of GM and be price competative.

We don't work in the Automotive as we are a higher quality more expensive filter so we typically go in more industrial applications and higher demand mobile (off highway hydraulics).

Anyhow... I'm not an "expert" on Spin-On mfgs, as we are more heavily into Industrial; but here is a good review I've found that from my knowledge looks to be very accurate.

Honeywell - makes Fram (In Canada the Quaker State filters are Fram filters / In the USA, QS is Purolator), Pennzoil, Quaker State

Honeywell is not even an automotive based company. Their primary sales consist of air conditioning filters, insulation, etc. Cars are not their business. They always rate the poorest in filter reviews. Even their best filter (Extra-tough guard) is only decent. They have very cheap internal parts, but people buy them. I will give them credit, they have a great marketing strategy. Bright cute colors and a sure-grip™ top will sell anything.

Arvin Meritor - makes Purolator Premium Plus, PureONE, Ford OEM, V-1 & SureFlow (Superflow?)

Better then Honeywell, Arvin Meritor dabbles quite a bit in automotive parts. Filters are not their only gig; they also produce steering/suspension parts, etc. They produce a low – medium line filter. Nothing fancy….

Dana - makes Wix and Napa Gold/Silver, AC Delco DuraGuards for Canada

Even a better manufacturer of filters…some (Wix, Napa Gold line, some Delcos, etc.) come with synthetic valves & media. They are considered a medium line filter. Dana makes some great products, nothing cheap here.

Baldwin (Parent of Hastings) - Baldwin, Hastings, Amsoil, Casite, etc.

Baldwin has pretty big range of quality. Their bottom of the line is the Hastings filter which is a decent filter and extends up to their top of the line Amsoil filter. You get what you pay for here.

Champion Labs - Mobil 1, K&N, Supertech, AC Delco DuraGuards (two different types) for USA, Bosch Premium, STP, Ultraguard Gold, Deutch & Luberfiner

Here we have the biggest range and the largest manufacturer of filters. Champion Labs is responsible for making many OEM filters. Ford has used Champion Labs and so has Chrysler and GM. Champion Labs make some of the best filters like the Mobil 1 & K&N. The cheapest, the Supertech, actually betters out the FRAM in density and length of media believe it or not. But then, Champion is also responsible for some junk like the STP and Bosch. So if you are going cheap, grab the Supertech over the FRAM or basic Purolator.

Cummins - owns Fleetguard filters (primary supplier of trucks)

Mann - a top quality German filter maker. Comes on BMWs, Porsche, Audi, some Volvos.


Summary: There are some filters I may have overlooked, but this largely covers 95% of all the oil filters made. In a nutshell you have:

Best filters: AC Delco, Baldwin, Amsoil, Mobil 1, K&N, .

Medium: AC Delco, Napa, Wix, PureOne(?)

Crap filters: Fram, Bosch, Penzzoil & Quaker (made by Fram)

IMO the best Spin-On filters you can buy are Donaldson filters (no I don't work for them; i work for a cartridge German mfg). But they tend to stay away from Auto filters as most people don't want to pay $30.00 for a good spin-on. (Donaldson = CAT)

With that said, Fiberglass IS the best filter media you can buy. I would look for ones that are complete fiberglass and not the paper/fiberglass. That's a little bit of marketing there.

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Old Mar 5, 2008 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AL SS590 M6
Just because a filter looks to be of the same manufacture on the outside doesn't mean it's identical inside.
Very True.

Some Spin-On manufacturers just pleat the media around the core and buy the "Cans" from a stamping manufacture that may make "Cans" for SEVERAL different filter manufacturers.

The whole industry is intertwined.

Then there is the media mfgs (ony a few), that make most of the media for ALL mfgs.

It's not cut and dry like A makes B, and C makes D...
Old Mar 6, 2008 | 01:19 AM
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Okey you know what im sorry guys for disturbing the heard here, I guess ill just keep my opinion to myself. Ive read and heard alot about the new AC Delco filters. But for the sake of the convo i will keep my mouth shut from this point foreward on advice giving.
Old Mar 7, 2008 | 05:33 AM
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chrome 383z is the filter god. finally someone has set it right. maybe that should get a sticky. this is a hot topic and most people want to castrate each other of what they prefer. i love the ac's and amsoil ea series. donaldson filters are imo the best diesel filter but are around 30.00 each. we run them 12,500 miles. i can sleep beter now 383z
Old Jan 27, 2012 | 08:08 AM
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This entire post is recycled BS

Honeywell is not even an automotive based company. Their primary sales consist of air conditioning filters, insulation, etc.
Cars are not their business.

Honeywell is a 30 billion dollar company with five divisions. One of them is called "Transportation Systems". that business is a 4 billion dollar business. It consists of FRAM, Prestone, Autolite, Garret Turbochargers, Jurid and Bendix Brakes. Additionally, Honeywell aerospace, chemicals and sensor divisions all sell parts and chemicals to every automaker on the planet.

FRAM, Prestone and Autolite have recently been sold to Rank Corporation. They are the largest packing supplier in the world with many famous brands. They have combined us with UCI International, makers of Wells Vehicle Electronics, ASC water pumps, Airtex Fuel Pumps and Champion Labs (oil filters). We are a 8 brand strong 3 billion dollar auto parts company today.





They always rate the poorest in filter reviews. Even their best filter (Extra-tough guard) is only decent. They have very cheap internal parts, but people buy them. I will give them credit, they have a great marketing strategy. Bright cute colors and a sure-grip™ top will sell anything.


There is no single "internet study" of oil filters that actually shows filtration. How much dirt a filter removes from oil, how much it can hold until full. they are all unqualified people cutting open filters and making opinions. We sell four different filters. Extra Guard 95% efficiency with 5000 mile capacity, Tough Guard 99% efficiency with 7500 mile capacity, High Mileage with a additive basket to condition oil on high mile vehicles, a technology Mack/Volvo has adapted as OE and Extended Guard, the most advanced filter made. Two layers of synthetic glass fibers wrapped around a stainless steel screen and 10,000 mile capacity. Please visit cadzillals6's Channel - YouTube to see video about our technology and performance. We are OE equipment on Honda and just won an award for shipping 13 million perfect filters. We also make filters for Subaru


Arvin Meritor - makes Purolator Premium Plus, PureONE, Ford OEM, V-1 & SureFlow (Superflow?)
Better then Honeywell, Arvin Meritor dabbles quite a bit in automotive parts. Filters are not their only gig; they also produce steering/suspension parts, etc. They produce a low – medium line filter. Nothing fancy….

Arvin Meritor Does not own Purolator, it is owned by Bosch. They shipped all production to china then brought it back due to quality issues. The Pure 1 filter is a good filter, the standard filters are around 85% efficiency, very average at best. They no longer make Ford OE filter either.



Dana - makes Wix and Napa Gold/Silver,

WIX is owned by AFFINIA, an investment group in the process of building filter plants in India, for what that’s worth.

AC Delco DuraGuards for Canada
Wrong again, all AC Delco filters are made by Champ labs using the E-core design.
Even a better manufacturer of filters…some (Wix, Napa Gold line, some Delco's, etc.) come with synthetic valves & media. They are considered a medium line filter. Dana makes some great products, nothing cheap here.

Again, wrong DANA has no automotive business, they are HD only now, Affinia owns the former DANA
Baldwin (Parent of Hastings) - Baldwin, Hastings,
Amsoil, Amsoil filters are made by three different makers, varies year to year Casite, etc.
Baldwin has pretty big range of quality. Their bottom of the line is the Hastings filter
Hastings filters are 6-80% efficient and just barely have enough capacity for a 3000 mile oil change
which is a decent filter and extends up to their top of the line Amsoil filter. You get what you pay for here.

Champion Labs - Mobil 1, K&N, Supertech, AC Delco DuraGuards (two different types) for USA, Bosch Premium STP, Ultraguard Gold, Deutch & Luberfiner
Here we have the biggest range and the largest manufacturer of filters. Champion Labs is responsible for making many OEM filters. Ford has used Champion Labs and so has Chrysler and GM. Champion Labs make some of the best filters like the Mobil 1 & K&N. The cheapest, the Supertech, actually betters out the FRAM in density and length of media believe it or not. But then, Champion is also responsible for some junk like the STP and Bosch. So if you are going cheap, grab the Supertech over the FRAM or basic Purolator.


Champion Labs is in the process of being merged with FRAM. the best technology from both companies will be in our filters going forward. They make many OE filters, they do not make Bosch filters, Purolator does. Our technology is so far ahead that FRAM engineering lab is the one that will be used going forward. Combining FRAM and Luberfiner HD technology will result in a really awesome HD line up.

Cummins - owns Fleetguard filters (primary supplier of trucks). At least one true statement.
Mann - a top quality German filter maker. Comes on BMWs, Porsche, Audi, some Volvos. Mann builds filters for high end cars that use fiber end caps just like FRAM does!

Summary: There are some filters I may have overlooked, but this largely covers 95% of all the oil filters made. In a nutshell you have:
Best filters: AC Delco, Baldwin, Amsoil, Mobil 1, K&N, .
Medium: AC Delco, Napa, Wix, PureOne(?)
Crap filters: Fram, Bosch, Penzzoil & Quaker (made by Fram)

I would love to debate the person who made this stuff up sometime. Feel free to contact me anytime if you need more information
Jay.Buckley@Framgrp.com
Old Jan 30, 2012 | 07:22 AM
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Re: This entire post is recycled BS

Originally Posted by motorking
I would love to debate the person who made this stuff up sometime. Feel free to contact me anytime if you need more information
Jay.Buckley@Framgrp.com
I'm afraid you'll need to get in your time machine. Set it for 4 years ago.
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