(original from krillanaross)

<<<i PROMISE YOU WILL BE SPENDING A LOT MORE THAN YOURE PLANNING IF YOU STROKE IT!!>>>

How 'bout it,- AL SS590 M6 -, do you concur with Krillanaross, I've heard it both ways--

Here's where I'm leaning

1. Callies 383 rotating assembly (diamond pistons & rods)
2. Comp cam
3. dual row timing chain
4. upgraded springs & retainers
5. upgraded oil pump
6. valve job

No head work now,

Plan- drive now, change heads and pistons add 'charger in 2-3yrs.

Workable or Not!??

Buzz

 

Have you considered a complete motor from ?ARE

Or from Speed Inc.

 

Gentlemen,

I've decided that I can go with the Callies 383 stroker kit, upgrade to the recommended springs and retainers, heavy-duty oil pump and keep the heads as they are( granted, I won't get the "max" performance out of the stroking, but I will be able to drive it now and then add on later. Yes?)

As I rebuild, is there somebody out there that sells a "rebuild gasket kit or do I have to go the way of ordering separately?

If anything you see above isn't correct, tell me NOW!

Buzz

 

Well Guys,
From your posts, the majority thinks stroking is not the way to go. Motor swap seems to be a popular alternative, which kinda blows the hype about the LS1 being such a sweet motor and all.

As far as helping me out, well, I did get some info on supercharging it down the road, but as far as stroking or no- I've felt like I've been left on my own. Which leads me to believe that no one seems to know too much about this, or isn't willing to share?!

Either way, I'm going 383 stroked on the rotating assembly and Comp cam- I'll keep you posted as progress is made, in hopes of helping anyone else out there that may be contemplating going in the same direction, Parts are due here Monday, 30th,

Buzz

Sorry for the late entry- Shrimp season in S. Carolina was calling and it's hard to resist an excuse like that to get together with my son over the weekend!

 

who is doing the work/tune. I live in Forest Park and did my own stuff. What is your hp/et goal?

 

<<< cablebandit who is doing the work/tune. I live in Forest Park and did my own stuff. What is your hp/et goal? >>>

Hey cablebandit,
Scott's Machine shop in Fayetteville is building and Lamar Walden Racing Motors in Doraville is doing the tune.

Hp- 500
ET - don't care, I'm just lookin' for a ride that I've always dreamed about.

Parts came in yesterday, it'll be a week or two before the tune.

They've got some nice rides in Forest Park-

Buzz

 

when did Scotts machine shop get a torq plate for a ls1? That is a good shop tho. Lemme know if you need some help with the s/c and the fuel system. What are they charging to tune it? Without the s/c yet, you oughta do it yourself.

 

<<< cablebandit when did Scotts machine shop get a torq plate for a ls1? >>>

Not sure, but there have been a number of small questions that Scott has asked about on the rebuild, that just makes me a little uncomfortable. He's good, but not that familiar with the LS1, So, I'm picking the motor up Friday and hauling it up to Walden's. I figure since Lamar Walden Automotive in Doraville is doing the tune and since I got the parts through them to begin with, I'm just gonna have them do the rebuild also. That way if anything comes up, everybodies not pointing at the other guy and saying, "it wasn't anything we did, must have been them..."

<<< What are they charging to tune it? Without the s/c yet, you oughta do it yourself. >>>

$700 for the tune, that includes a one time $350 access fee?!
As far as doing it myself, no programmer and no laptop, sad story, huh? I'm sure as time goes on I'll invest in both. The short story is, I wasn't ready to jump in on the motor at this particular point and time, it was kinda thrust upon me, broke rod bearing and all, know what I mean?

<<< Lemme know if you need some help with the s/c and the fuel system >>>

Thanks, you can count that. Couple of guys here at work have built/SC, one mustang, one cougar and a cobra in the making, but no LS1's, so I'll be checking from time to time.
Do you run up at Commerce very often? Or do you go to Reynolds, Silver Dollar?

Buzz

 

Why dump all that cash into a stroked engine with stock heads when a cammed stock stroked engine with heads will out run you? Simple engine basics, heads make a huge difference!

I'm not trying to hate on ya. Its just that now would be the optimal time for you to do this. You may want to look into heads a bit further.

 

Why don't you just do forged pistons and better rods.....get a good set of heads and a decent cam and spray it.....its a lot cheaper then the stroker setup.

 

<<< Greed4Speed Why dump all that cash into a stroked engine with stock heads when a cammed stock stroked engine with heads will out run you? Simple engine basics, heads make a huge difference! >>>

Why? I'm lookin' at the total package, but I can't do the total package now, only part of it. The engine has to be built, that's a given- broke rod bearing, crank and cam damage-
Now, all I'm trying to figure out is, when I build now, stock or stroked, which one will serve me better in 2-3yrs when I get ready to blow it. What I'm trying to achieve is a solid, strong lower end, with the most potential for increase in power.

Money wise? Right now I'm lookin' at about $4400.

So, I figure- maybe right, maybe wrong (that's why I appreciate any and all comments) - build a strong base now, add the heads, beef the suspension, upgrade rear-end, long tubes, true dual exhausts that exit in front of the rear wheels, and supercharge down the road. If I go stock now, but beef-up the heads, I will only have to replace either the heads or the piston heads when I get ready to blow it. Do I make sense?

Don't get me wrong, I just want to rebuild now, not wanting to beat everybody around town, but to have the strongest mechanically, and also have the most potential for power as I add on.

Kick it back, yeah com'on

Buzz

 

From what I've seen there are a lot of LS1's w/ a cam and heads that run well into the 11's on the stock bottom end. You'll net more power out of well ported heads than you will out of stroking. Then all you'd have to do is bolt on a SC and go (if you build it low compression now). Then you could also buy a running low mile engine, slap a cam and heads on it for at least 2/3 the cost that you are looking at now, and have some parts left over to resale.
Then you'd have cash left over to work on the total package. In my 70 SS I beat many big blocks and strokers with my stock bored 350 because I have a good set up all around.

 

<<< Greed4Speed You'll net more power out of well ported heads than you will out of stroking. >>>

When you say "Net", do you mean Now or after it's been supercharged?

After the stroked bottom end, add the truck heads and supercharger running at about 8lbs, I should be looking at about 500hp, yes? If I go stock,( with low compression? Pistons?) port the heads now and add the supercharger later, how will it run now on low compression and then after the supercharger will the net power at 8lbs ( longer life then a higher lbs setting ) be equal to 500hp?

This stuff is hard,

Buzz

 

700 WOW.....I got a laptop..atap...ls1edit and a wideband......they are good tuners but thats too much for a tune, especially for a n/a car. As a matter of fact...I think thats crazy I don't run anywhere now..my car was totalled but I did run at SDR. I am rebuilding a car att he moment.

 

<<< cablebandit 700 WOW.....I got a laptop..atap...ls1edit and a wideband......they are good tuners but thats too much for a tune>>>

Yeah, that's what I thought, thought I might go the route of "since your doing the rebuild and I did buy the parts through you...". 350 seemed reasonable, but the additional 350 for " an access fee", sounds too much like a gouge.

I did see some sweet long tubes while I was up there, and since I 'm upgrading anyway, I think I'll do the long tubes and slp y-pipe with catalytic converters.

what are you building?
I used to go up to Dalas, when I had the '69 goat, boy, those were the days- I'm much more into road racing and "Road Atlanta" type courses now.

I wouldn't mind seeing what you're doing with the new car,


Buzz