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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 12:26 PM
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Re: Third gens faster than the LT1?

A 350 Formula with the G92 package, cloth interior, no t-tops, could possibly keep up with an LT1. I would also think that a B4C/1LE Camaro with the 350 could keep up.
Old Oct 30, 2005 | 03:17 PM
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i raced my friends 86 z28 and i kicked his *** hes gotta 350 with 89,000 original miles, almost mint shape...has 4in exhaust from the mufflers..i think 2 1/2 from the headers but all he has is exhaust upgrades and my formula raped his car hes gotta manual and is pretty consistant, i have a 95 formula w an auto just catback exhaust & functional ram air hood....don't think any other upgrades but people tell me they think i have a bigger cam cuz it sounds a bit throatier.
Old Oct 30, 2005 | 03:34 PM
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Re: Third gens faster than the LT1?

If it's a stock or slightly modified L98 I think it could be a driver's race from stoplight to stoplight. However, the farther you race, the more the Lt1 will pull on the L98.
Old Oct 30, 2005 | 10:52 PM
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Re: Third gens faster than the LT1?

Originally Posted by V8Rumble
If it's a 305 (and it's stock), he's roadkill, unless it's a real factory freak.

Aside from the two cars already mentioned, Pontiac also made a number of Firebird Formulas with the 350. Given that the Formula is (often) supposed to be something of a "stripped-down" version of the T/A, and therefore lighter weight, I could see a 350 Formula running with (and quite possibly edging out) an LT1.

I suspect that a lot would depend on the drivers.
I had an '87 Formula 350, and have a '99 LS1 A4 now. I've driven a '95 LT1 with a six speed a few times that my friend owned. The '99 is clearly a LOT faster than the Formula. The Formula was a 15 second quarter mile car. The LS1 is probably more like 13.5. Huge difference. The LT1 would smoke the Formula too, since I think it ran about a 14.2 or so stock (correct me if I'm wrong). The 3rd Gen L98s are nice cars but they weren't all that fast realistically. You can mod them but the TPI has inherent limitations, not least of which is the fact that it was designed for a 305. As I recall, the TPI system on L98 F-bodies between '87-92 is exactly the same as the one installed on the 305. Not the formula for huge power.
Old Nov 1, 2005 | 11:23 AM
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Re: Third gens faster than the LT1?

ive owned both 3rd and 4th gen camaros and i dont feel stock for stock a 3rd gen will beat a 4th gen after i did a motor swap to my 3rd gen i put in a Z71 truck 305 into it then it would be a 4th gen with no problem but not with the stock 305
Old Nov 1, 2005 | 03:15 PM
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i have not ever seen at the race track even a slightly modified third gen even reach times a bad running 4th gen has.
Every car is different. I go by a philosophy: Unless its written by an authorized source, I have seen it personally live or on video, I dont believe it.

Would you guys believe that a stock 94 Z28 with HPP beat a 98+ LS1 corvette. Well I did, fortunately I had a buddy as an eye witness to back up the claim. BTW, the corvette turned it was so embarrased!
Old Nov 1, 2005 | 03:15 PM
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Re: Third gens faster than the LT1?

i have not ever seen at the race track even a slightly modified third gen even reach times a bad running 4th gen has.
Every car is different. I go by a philosophy: Unless its written by an authorized source, I have seen it personally live or on video, I dont believe it.

Would you guys believe that a stock 94 Z28 with HPP beat a 98+ LS1 corvette. Well I did, fortunately I had a buddy as an eye witness to back up the claim. BTW, the corvette turned it was so embarrased!
Old Nov 1, 2005 | 04:44 PM
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Re: Third gens faster than the LT1?

i destroyed a stock 91 firehawk with my stock 94 lt1. beat it by about 2 1/2 car lengths up hill.
Old Nov 1, 2005 | 05:55 PM
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Re: Third gens faster than the LT1?

For the most part, in my own personal experience, the 4th generation will beat a 3rd gen. I remember racing a hard top 350 auto 88ish back in the day with my stock convertible with headers and he beat me by a car length. But I did have the heaviest LT1 and he had the lightest L98 model.
Old Nov 1, 2005 | 06:02 PM
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You guys are all stupid.
Everyone knows the second gen cars are the fastest.
Old Nov 1, 2005 | 06:24 PM
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Re: Third gens faster than the LT1?

Originally Posted by TABAHR
You guys are all stupid.
Everyone knows the second gen cars are the fastest.
I understand the quote is for humor purposes.

Actually, the third gens ARE faster. 300+ mph at Bonneville on a basically stock late '80's body with '91-'92 nose and ground effects but with the '85-'90 rear wing.

As for quicker, I don't know which generation has the quicker time on a basically stock body (this means none of the so-called funny car styles or no where near stock appearing outlaw f-bodies).

In my case, my '88 GTA with 350 and automatic (remember---ALL 350 thirdgens came with the automatic transmission) has run 14.0s at 98.5 to 99.6 mph at Beech Bend in Bowling Green. Full weight and my 230 pound lard-***.

The car has SLP headers and 1.6 roller-tip rockers and a few of the other 'free' mods so I do realize it is slightly modded. It put down 224 rwhp at the dyno with 302 pounds of torque.

I've ran (at Beech Bend) several LT1s and beat all but one auto LT1 I've faced (don't know if he was modded or not). Usually I won by 1-5 car lengths.

On the other hand, 6-speed LT1s handle me rather easily. Not a slap-down but usually 2-5 car lengths.

I've seen auto LT1s run 14.60s and I've seen 6-speed LT1s run 13.60s, both either stock or just slightly modded.

I've seen auto L98s run high 14s to low 14s stock (depending on year-remember the '91-'92 was the highest rated L98).

I've also seen 305 5-speed dual-cat later thirdgens run mid 14s to 14.30s stock.

Just my observances.

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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 08:03 PM
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Re: Third gens faster than the LT1?

Originally Posted by jms
I understand the quote is for humor purposes.

Actually, the third gens ARE faster. 300+ mph at Bonneville on a basically stock late '80's body with '91-'92 nose and ground effects but with the '85-'90 rear wing.
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Wow, that is fast!
Old Nov 1, 2005 | 10:07 PM
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Re: Third gens faster than the LT1?

wow i didnt realize auto lt1s ran a full second slower then 6 speeds, 14.60/13.60? mabe trap speeds are a little higher, but i think they are a little more even then that lol
Old Nov 2, 2005 | 12:48 AM
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Re: Third gens faster than the LT1?

auto's are sposed to be more consistant and better at the strip....is that just for bracket racers convience or something?
Old Nov 2, 2005 | 07:45 AM
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Re: Third gens faster than the LT1?

Originally Posted by nonojoe66
wow i didnt realize auto lt1s ran a full second slower then 6 speeds, 14.60/13.60? mabe trap speeds are a little higher, but i think they are a little more even then that lol
I was NOT trying to say ALL automatics LT1s are a full second slower than ALL LT1 6-speeds in my previous post.

What I was trying to get across, is in MOST situations there is a difference between 6-speed times and automatic times. Automatics tend to eat more horsepower (thus slower times) than manual versions, no matter the engine or car.

Whether they eat a full second or not is determined by the individual car, driver, track conditions, etc.

And, ALL stock L98 f-bodies came with automatics.

Now, imagine if the L98 had a 6-speed. Of course they didn't come stock that way but I could easily see knocking off 1/4 to 1/2 second off most L98 times if they had come with a 6-speed.

But, that would also depend heavily on the condition of the car, track conditions, driver skill, etc.

Just my observances.

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