I’m sick of people ******* on the lt1. Always saying yeah its can build good power and torque, but not like an ls1. Now i haven’t looked a whole lot into LS1 but im getting tired of this. Other than the aluminum block advantage, The heads are much better, but The lt4 afrs are fairly close to the flow numbers of the LS1 heads. I believe that is where they make there power over a LT1. But anyway i would like to hear peoples opinions

 

Just put it to those ls fools like this- a SBC which (which is just the motor the lt was based on without reverse cooling) can make over 1000 horse power at 358 inches. check the CFE heads website or ad. I don't see any LSx motor doing that, may happen in the future but not currently. Right now the KING of GM small blocks is still the original and what the LT was based on. Sure the LS has a couple bearings and the same bore spacing as the SBC(and LT) but you can't bolt LS heads on a SBC or LT. I think if you wanted to keep a small block GM motor for an all out car even if it was a LS1 car you would find it better to switch to the SBC motor, just alot better heads out there.LS is just the BEST FACTORY small block ever and nothing wrong with it, just way over hyped.

 

O god here it goes again. The LT1 is a problematic,outdated engine that is going to get killed sooner or later by lsx motors, hint hint its already happening,just like tpi cars got railed by lt1's.Sad yes, but it WILL happen. LT1's can make great power no doubt but seriosuly its always going to be 10 steps behind lsx engines(look at where the aftermarket is and where its going). Dont get me wrong I LOVE my lt1 but you just got to accept whats going on(seriously the lt1 is how old?). Having said that im by no means an ls1 "nut-hugger", but I give credit where its due. Unless your building your car to impress the "cool kids" why does it matter if an ls1 is faster? there is always going to be something faster out there.

 

Another discussion? Haven't there been enough?

 

Unfortunately for us 94tealz is correct, ls1s have a higher potential. however a well built lt1 still produces more than enough power for most.

 

I dont get the point of these threads. It's always a useless pissing match. You can take (almost) any motor and make it faster than the next guy. Just because the LSX motors are better out of the box and have a bigger aftermarket, some people think they're the holy grail. Sure, stock-to-stock they're better, and they do respond better to mods, but that's called evolution. It's EXPECTED that they will be better than previous generations of motors. But when it comes to overall power output and ET's, there is no clear cut winner. Sure, it may be EASIER to get, say, 500 hp out of an LS1 versus an LT1, but that doesn't mean an LT1 CAN'T make 500 hp. Christ, there are bone-stock cars making 500 hp these days. Why aren't the LS1 guys debating whether the LS1 is a better motor than the LS7? The bottom line is this: no matter what platform you start with, you CAN go faster than the next guy, given an adequate pocketbook and/or know-how. For example, a friend of mine who is on this board has an 355 ci LT1-powered ride running in the 10's N/A. I suspect that there are some LS1 guys who didn't think it was possible. Moreover, there are 4-banger Ecotec motors pushing 1000 hp. It's really disheartening to see F-body enthusiasts having d-ck swinging contests over who's got the best motor. The truth is, unless you put certain restrictions on it, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE "BEST" MOTOR. With all the top-notch builders and aftermarket suppliers, the sky's the limit with MANY engine families. Hell, there's probably some crazy old a$$hole with an old Ford flathead that could run circles around everyone on this board. While not likely, it is not impossible. These "which motor is the best" arguments usually involve excuses and stipulations. Sure, my friend's 99 Muskrat GT can run 12's, BUT on how big of a shot? Yeah, this guy runs 11's with an LT1, BUT he's got a supercharger. Any old block can be made into a high-powered weapon, given the time and expenditure. We shouldn't be fighting amongst ourselves, plain and simple. Respect each other and fight the Fords, Mopars, Asians and Europeans. After all, you never know when that tricky old bastard with a '48 flathead is gonna embarrass your sorry ***.

 

Why even discuss this? The ls1 is better then the Lt1, the lt1 is dieing. Yes the ls1 heads are better.

 

just so you know, we have a 3400 pd Firebird PONTIAC powered nitrous street car that is in the low 8s, how is that for an antique motor. As a matter of fact the SBC came out the same year as the Pontiac motor, 1955. I consider the SBC and LT1 one in the same. A SBC will kick a LS1s A$$ in ALL OUT. But stock for stock amnd mild mod, LS is the ULTIMATE GM small block. LT4 is probably the ULTIMATE SBC. People really need to go past the LT1 sbc and look a little more at the original sbc, if they want to upgrade instead of going LS1. Heck, I just bought a 98 TA I am pulling the motor out for a traditional pontiac with twin turbo and almost 500cfm heads. Plan on running some local heads up events, didn't think the LS platform was up to the job. That is if I get the chassis ever done.

 

Thank you , JD311, for showing an example of "outdated crap" running strong. Old Tin Indian power is not to be f#$&d with! However, I'm gonna have to disagree with your statement that the LSX series motors are not "up to the job," based on my previous post.

 

Girls get naked for LT1's, they don't for LSX's...

 

Actually, girls get naked for Honda Civics with 3 foot wings. Take a look at any NOPI event and you'll understand. Truth be told, I got more attention while driving my friend's '01 SOM SS than I did driving my 96 teal Z. So I'm sorry, but your theory is wrong. LOL J/K I love my LT1's.

 

Why do you think I am converting my old 94 Z28 to look like a 2002; to get girls. Anyway I did not think the LS platform could do it based on what is out there I know with boost, anything can run look at imports. I wanted something that had a bigger head available and bore size and there is alot more out for old pontiacs than used to be. Remember LS is still same bore spacing as a SBC. In the end if all things are equal including heads, deck height, bore, stroke etc, traditional sbc(including lt1 though there is no aftermarket block available) and ls there really would be NO difference. Been around racing motors TOO long. BTW I talked to CN blocks; they will make you a LT1 billet block based on the SBC block they have available. Would that be legal in the LTx shootout? You think the LS boys could keep up with over 1000 hp N/A at only 358 inches.

 

I will agree I will take any GM over imports and such. I will stick up also for the LS and mod motor FORD debate. I worked on enough of those Mustang hay wagons. I mean they have 2 different version a windsor and romeo, and alot of crap can't interchange. Heck I think it is easier to adapt SBC parts to LT1. I think I would take an old 5.0 over the newer stangs. I do enjoy LS power in stangs though. GM rules

 

If you're talking Fords, I have to say that the mod motors were a lateral move at best. GM was ahead of the game from 1993-2002 with their "antiquated" pushrod motors. Case in point: My 1996 Z28 was able to edge out a Mustang 3 years newer, both stock-to-stock and mod-to-mod. It seems to me that Ford's answer has been to slap a blower on a poorly designed motor in order to claim an advantage. This goes to show that any motor can be made to go fast, which perfectly illustrates my point.