How do I see so many posts from you guys about removing emission systems? Air, EGR, gutting or completely removing CATS - how are you getting away with this?

If I tried to pull that craziness in NJ - I'd pay huge fines and probably end up in jail or with the EPA knocking on my door.

Aren't you guys subject to inspection? Or is everyone just "connected" to the proper channels?

 

Depends on the state/county and what type of inspection. Some states like Florida don't have any emissions testing. I still have my cats and secondary AIR on the car. Or are you talking about NJ only?

 

Well, just a general question. I knew there were some locations in the US where cars were subject to "self inspection" (cough, cough). It is just such a foreign idea to anyone living in NJ.

I think if you look at your catalytic converter funny in this state it is an offense (or translated from NJ terms - a reason to collect money).

Kind of annoying to see all these people just tossing emissions controls while we are strangled to death with regulation here.

 

Here they are supposed to check,but it's one of those proper connections things. Some places just don't give a crap though, so they pass with anything that isn't obvious.

 

being an inspection mechanic helps

 

In NJ, if you are caught passing out undeserved stickers, altering or falsifying records, etc, it is a 6-month mandatory jail term and $10,000 fine. The MVC sends under-cover teams into private inspections shops, with cars doctored with various violations, and if the shop does not correctly inspect and identify all the faults, the mechanic and the shop Owner are dragged into a special MVC/Emissions court, where their ability to even be represented by an attorney is limited.

There are some stations who will give you a sticker, but you have to promise to swear that you made all the illegal alterations AFTER they put the sticker in the car. I know one guy who had a 1,350HP 30th Anniversary SS, and had a sticker on the car, while making low 8-second passes.

I took my car off the roads in NJ, because of the ****-like MVC system. Even though we built the engine with full, functioning emissions, and tuned it to pass the NJ rolling emissions inspections, I gave up when they started setting up mobile inspections teams on the side of the road, and pulling cars over "at random" (sure ) and subjecting them to a full emissions check on a portable emissions dyno, and then going over the car with a team of trained inspectors who had all the data for specific cars, for a complete visual inspection. There was no way my car would pass a "visual", even though it would meet tailpipe emissions. All the emissions stuff was there and working - EGR, AIR, EVAP, cats, etc - but it was obvious that many of the parts are not stock.

In a few years, it is going to get worse, because NJ is adopting the California emissions standards. They have pretty much limited the roadside mobile inspections to diesel trucks at this point.... I haven't seen them on the roadside checking cars for several years.

NJ also requires that you possess a permit to buy or use nitrous, under the controlled dangerous substance (drug) laws. I've got one of those.

 

they also do this in pa, i have seen more than a few cars come in with silly things like vacuum caps on the egr or other things. my car is one thing but that, and the fact that i would lose my inspection license, is why i would never overlook anything on anyone elses car (and all my mods were done after i inspected my car)

 

N.J. sounds horrible. In Delaware we have to get a state inspection which they do a pressure check on your gas tank, plug in to yur computer if you have OB2 and if you don't they put a sniffer up the tail pipe and make you rev it up and hold it there for a minute or so. They used to even Emission check my 1969 6 years ago before I sold it.

 

Yea, Injuneer knows what I am talking about.

These regs kinda stick in my craw when there are different rules for the air everyone is breathing.

I've also been wondering about the OBD cars aging. What happens when we are years down the road - your SES light is on - and that bad sensor throwing the code is no longer available? Someone from another state will just say have the PCM reprogrammed - but unless I am mistaken - in NJ all ready flags need to be on for the car to pass.

At what point does it become acceptable to pass an aged multi-sensor car when parts just aren't available anymore? We have to be coming to that soon.

 

wow, nj sucks worse than cali. At least you can bribe people over here..

 

You guys have some crazy restrictive laws up there. Here it's just more whoever pulls you over decides whether he wants to be an *** about it or not. The state police take care of it, nobody else. I don't know what they do about OBD II, but nobody around here knows how to look at anything but a cat for visual inspection on OBD I cars.

 

Quit voting DEMOCRAT!!!! They keep giving the Environazi EPA more power and they're the ones (like Al Gore) who are spreading the global warming propaganda while still driving their SUV's and living in mansions. Think about it, this is coming from someone with a degree in Enviromental Management.

In most of TX all they do is read the ECU for emissions so if your rear O2's, EGR and Air are deleted correctly you'll pass. Harris County (Houston area) actually has to get their taip pipe emissions checked. Even then, if you get pulled over and the cop wanted to, they could inspect your vehicle for the equipment and ticket you for removal, and it isn't cheap. IMO EGR and AIR are both virtually worthless but I still run cats. They only cost a couple HP anyway.

 

Democrat / Republican - c'mon. It makes no difference.

I still want to see if anyone has an opinion on my earlier post as to what happens when parts that may be needed to (legitimately) turn off the SES light become unavailable. In NJ - that is an instant failure.

 

a written letter from the dealership stating the part is no longer available will suffice

there is also a provision for if you spend more than a certian amount trying to make it pass

 

Its possible to "program out" the codes, without setting the "system not ready" flags.

I'm sure Federal regulations require that emission parts like sensors must be produced and available as long as the vehicle is subject to emissions checks.

NJ only checks the PCM on the OBD-II cars starting with 1996. Its the roadside "visuals" that are threatening.