I did not get angerd . The reason I responded is because you are just talking out of the side of your mouth like you are doing again. Look what you say above about me saying it like its a common occurence. Thats why is responded, because if you would read, you would see in all my post where is say they are not on every corner but they are there. I plain and simply said it from the first to the last post. They are are not everwhere but them here you come again overlooking everything i said just to try and have a reply. I will say it again like I did the fist time. They are not on every corner.

You did not ask me if there was a significant number. YOU tried to act is if i was saying that there were. And I thought i made it clear with the not on every corner statement. My whole point to your is that there are 9 second daily drivers, BUT somehow you get out of that that i am saying there are an abundance of them. I said they are there.

As far as a Th400 and big converter, what are you talking about. All cars don't need that to run 9s. However some do have 4000+ converters and drive everyday. As a matter of fact the car that I keep mentioning near me does not even have overdrive . It is a turbo 350 or 400 (cant remember which.) Alot of ls1 guys drive around in 11 second cars with high 3000 and low 4000 rpm converters though. Streetble is a relative thing.



And let me make this clear. I am not saying that your OPINION is wrong. I saying that YOU are wrong and that it is not an OPINION but FALSE. Saying there are no 9 second daily drivers is false and not an opinoin, because ther are. If you would actually read , you would see that you don't have a decent response for anything i said. On every one of your responses , I am trying to figure out what you have been reading because they have not basis. You are comming out with stuff just to have a response. On the intelligence issue , I doubt you are smarter, but it's funny that you would type garbage and think you are smarter than someone you dont know. Although from what you type, I would be willing to bet that you are not.

Then you come up with the significant amount or " amount to be recongnized crap. LOl. I responded to your fist post to say that there are 9 second daily drivers, not that there were a large percentage of them. I think we all know they are not at every corner. But your original post said there are none and that people dont spend that much on a car to drive every day. I was telling that there are some and that people do spend that much on daily drivers. Not that they are a common occurence. But if you read the first time you would know that.


As far as you having 6x as many post as me, So what. Some people are trolls, post ******, and some just spend more time on the computer. Plus some have many useless post. (Like yours) What does 6x the amount of post mean. I came to this board awhile probably years before I ever post. Plus i don't like do what youre doing and post garbage.

There engine builders on hear with fewer post than you . But i guess you are smarter than them too. I have been doing the car thing for awhile. Just the fact that you said there are know 9 second daily drivers shows that you don't know what you are talking about. Thats what some of the shadtree guys from long ago that are not familiar with todays technology say. Nine second daily drivers are not the norm...... Like you keep trying to make it seem like i am saying . All i am saying is that there are some. NOT millions, but SOME.

If something is mispelled so what I am not spell checking for you.LOL

 

For your combo, the guys was in Austin his name is John Eaves. I don't know if he still has the car, but it was a lt1 z28 with a 218/230 114 cam. Vortech s trim, aftercooler, ported lt1 heads. Nothing radical , as you seem to think it would need, No crazy boost. 630+ at the wheels. 10.57 at 136 or 137 . His website does not seem to work anymore, but he is listed on Brett Frankers Fbody supercharger list. But I guess Im lying about though. LOL. Anyways you asked and you recieved.

If that is not enought, look at INTIMID8's car he does have AFR heads, but that nothing that quite a few cars on here dont have. And even if it is so what. That's just my point. Some people are willing to spend and go radical. Even though radical motors are not needed with todays technology.


Look at INTIMID8's car his cam is I think smaller than that , and he put down 600+ at the wheels with his last combo and blower. Now he has a turbo and the same cam and makes over 700 at the wheels. All with an :"itty bitty" cam. You seem to be stuck in the 70's. Ask him How big his cam is. With blower, turbos, nitruous and todays technology , you dont need a huge solid roller or crazy , unstreetable motor to run nines.

Yes, you need the fuel etc, but so what. The guys who have these cars get The stuff they need to support the power. It may cost, but you gotta pay for what you want. Some people don't have a problem with that. Maybe it's just where you live. But around here if you go to a cruise on the weekends , you would be surprised at how many of these cars you see. Most of the cars are not this fast, but there are quite a few around here. But this is TEXAS. You guys may not have the same types of cars because of smog laws etc. Most of the daily drivers dont run nines or ten's here or anywhere else , but since you think none do you would be surprised at the number here. But then again from your post, I guess just one would blow your mind.

Then again you would not believe it, because it is your FALSE realism ....... NOT opinion that they don't exist.

 

haha i didnt ask the gas mileage question to make a big arguement, but i think its obvious people build their cars for diff things, which is why 355 vs 383 or streetatblility questions come up

it may play a big role what your city is like too. to me, daily driver means 15 minute fairly open thruway runs to school and work, very little bumper to bumper traffic, and near-daily cruise nights where i need my car with me. i also like to go on 1 or 2 trips each year that usually total more than 3-4 thousand miles, so the car needs to be able to do alot of stuff.

im thinking ill go with 350/355 for better traction/driveability on the street where my car sees most of its miles, but i havent decided yet. if 383 can get me decent mileage too then it is of interest, but i dont have a full understanding of the tuning issues with that

 

I said lets drop it

It's my opinion that a 9 second car is NOT a daily driver. To me those two words shouldn't be in the same sentence. That is an opinion, it's not false. I also said that they do exist but I also went on to say that it is not logical, cost-effective, smart or safe.

I will look into John Eaves combo, that name sounds familiar for some reason.... Thanks for the info.

And I can't be stuck in the 70's I wasn't even born yet. All I know is mostly late model stuff anywhoo. I don't know why you are trying to tell me all this stuff, as you can see my car is supercharged and eventually my car will have the works and eventually I hope it will be a low 11/high 10 second car. As you may or may not have read in my last post, I said my car would be daily driveable but I definitely would not do it. So they do exist, and hopefully I will be driving one (Rpm280 pitches a tent). That's DRIVING, far different than daily driving.

Please do not respond I'm getting tired of having to clarify myself and point out the faults in your arguments. This is a bunch of BS and I do not like ruining other people's posts because I hate when people do it to me...

 

Bad AZz Z28, no matter what people post about how a stroker has more power, way more torque, costs the same, better drivability, only slightly worse gas mileage (cost difference being miniscule), better 60' time (necessary to run 9's), you still want a 355.

Apparently, you had your mind made up ahead of time. Do you already have a 350 crank sitting around or something?

Please notice that my current set-up is a 355 with a 14 psi Vortech T-trim. Even though the combo makes good power, I am not happy with the lack of mid-range and low-end power. My last combination was a 11.5/1 compression naturally aspirated 383, which I was much happier with because of the huge midrange torque. That's why I just completed my new engine, which is a 383 to be used with the supercharger. I'm going to have it running some time next month.

Don't make the 355 mistake I just did. Build a stroker.

Mike

 

i wasnt arguing the benefits of a 383, if i was tryin to run 9s i would do that or bigger. but it will probably be cheaper right now FOR ME to go with a more modest build and see what i get...ill post if im dissapointed or not when spring comes

 

You ruined this post. I simply said there are 9 and 10 second daily drivers. Because you said there were not, and that "it's not something you could really drive daily". It does not matter if you believe they are practical , or do not see the point in them. Obviously some people do. Everyone does not care about good gas mileage even on daily drivers. Look how many 1960's and 70 cars there are still being driven everday with no overdrive and "big" gears etc. I can't find one place where you pointed out a fault in my post, but yet you still keep saying you do.

You SAID THERE ARE NONE, AND I TOLD YOU THERE ARE SOME BUT YET YOU STILL RESPOND FOR SOME ODD REASON AND THEN YOU SAY IT'S "YOUR OPINION" BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO BE WRONG, WHEN MANY OF US KNOW THERE ARE SOME. ((NOT MILLIONS, BUT SOME)). So who ruinded the post. It's seems you,.... Somebody who can't face the fact that he is wrong, so you keep yapping and try and call it an "OPINION" when it is NOT that at all , but is a False statement.

Fact is, there are these cars that aren true daily drivers, and not just DRIVEABLE as you still.

And you are still wrong. That is what you don't get about the OPINION thing. You have not clarified yourself one bit. You just keep stating replying and trying to cover up your false statement by calling it opinion.


Can you not understand that it is NOT AN OPINION when you say that there are not 9 second daily drivers. WHY .... BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME which makes your statement.... not opinion but false. I know they are NOT a large percentage of the cars on the road. Again, I was NOT saying there are millions of them, JUST THAT THERE ARE SOME.


The only reason I responded in the first place is because you said there were not, and I was telling you there are. I told you facts, but you still keep comming with this "my opinion thing" , I guess because you felt you had to try and defend yourself.
There is nothing to defend. You said there were none and I was telling you there are. Maybe you did not like how is said it, or just don't understand but , THIS ISSUE IS NOT AN OPINION BEACUSE of the FACT that these CARS EXIST. And they do. THAT IS WHY IT'S NOT AN OPINION! ........ What don't you understand about that????

You seem to feel because it is not practical for you, or because you don't see the point that there are none. I never said they are the most practical, i just said the are out there. Although obviously some are "practiacal enought to be true daily drivers" Sure Nobody NEEDS a 600+hp street car, but we don't need the 300+ from stock cars these days either. Whether they are street or race cars, we don't build them because we NEED them, we build them because we WAN'T them. And some people want 9 and 10 second daily drivers, and have them. No opinions about it.


You say, "It's my opinion that a 9 second car is NOT a daily driver". That is not an opinion because some are . And when I say daily driver, I am not talking about ABLE to be driven daily, but true daily drivers. How can that be your opinion???

I am not trying to argue, but do you not understand this????

Like I said before, a zebra is black and white. I can't have an opinion that it's green. If I say it's green that's wrong.

Obviously you have different thiking patterns than many on here. Just by the fact that you said "nitrous is cheating" shows this. If you run nitrous in PRO STOCK .... it's cheating . Why because it's NOT ALLOWED. If you run it a class where the rules say it's allowed , How is that cheating??? It's NOT. "Because it's not always on does not make something cheating" . That's just the common line people that say nitrous is cheating use.


By the way, If you hate ruining peoples post, try to just be quiet when you say something wrong instead of trying to cover it up to save face by replying with something that makes no sense and calling it your opinion . If you say something wrong.... Everybody is wrong sometimes.

You said there were none. It's a fact that there some, and I told you this. I HAVE SEEN THEM. That should have been it. But you could not let truth be truth. You are the reason this was drawn out.

You can have an opinion on certain things, but this is not one of them.

 

Bad AZz Z28, Sorry, I didn't realize from the original question:

that the goal wasn't to run 9's and that a "modest build" that would be cheap was desired.

I guess I was trying to explain why a 383 is better in every way and would be a big advantage over a 355 in a quest to run 9's.

Mike

 

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!! You guys are making my sides hurt with laughter! (literally, I've been laughing out loud at my computer reading this ****) Both of you repeat yourselves like broken records and spend THIS much time arguing about how each of you interpreted what you said.....about car stuff ...not like we're debating politics or religious beliefs here guys. This reminds me of when my former business partner and I kept sending each other nasty e-mails when we were trying to dissolve the business (we were best friends too) ....no matter what, each of us would keep trying to drive the exact same points home to no avail. We were argueing about who was going to buy and who was going to sell out in the business and how much $$$ it was going to be ...and "who said what about it from six months ago and up until now" and what not. But we were discussing something serious.....splitting up a business, not whether or not each of us felt a certain way about how driveable really fast cars are (or whether or not one of us said there was no daily driver super-fast cars or what he meant by it)......please, you guys need to find something real to debate about and must have too much time on your hands (maybe I do too...lol). But thanks for making me ROTFLMAO!.....absolutely unbelievable

 

I skipped over all the BS and will give my experience with my motor and car.

I have a very budget 355 with stock heads, very small cam, small converter and 8# boost and am running 10s. My car is very streetable and reliable. It could just as easily run 10s with a 383 but would cost more.

Bottom line is figure out what your goals and budget are and build within those means.

 

So basically a turbocharger is cheating as well since its not constantly boosting or "always there".

 

Told you there are guys running 10's with blown 355's.
I have a budget 355 too. It's all you need for a street car. No real need for a 383. If you are going to go 383, why not 396 or 409 or bigger? Where does it end?

Around here in Southern Cal, you don't see many blower cars around, most people don't know what they are.

 

Wow, this thread went to **** fast..

"Nitrous is cheating" "9 sec cars arent daily drivers" blah blah..

You have some learning to do..


Dont bother giving me some long *** explanation, Im not even going to read this thread anymore...