I tried searching but it didn't turn up much on SC vs Turbo. I'm really h3ll bent on going with a twin intercooler D1SC, but have always liked the Turbo's.

What are pro's and cons of both? I know that there will be more parasitic draw from a SC kit, but boost is easily upgradeable with a smaller pulley. On the turbo, there will be no addition of an extra belt to drive but in order to upgrade boost you need to either upgrade turbo or the Impeller or Compressor housings. Turbo's are high maintenance, as far as warm up and cool down cycles. My car is a DD for now, also. But turbo's can be hooked up to adjust boost on the fly (control modual)

I found a VERY affordable (cheap) Turbo starter kit. I can allways upgrade with their kits.

Better gain with a certain kit? I LOVE the SC whine!..
Any advice/questions/comments/problems?

 

If your building a street car, you cant go wrong with just slappin a procharger on it instead of all the bull**** with N20. The amount of time, money, and effort, it would take to make a car that would take advantage of the extra power, beyond what a properly biult D1SC car can provide wouldnt be worth it.

If your building a primarly race-driven car, then go with the turbo set up. But if your street driving it, blow it and be done with it.

As for turbo warm up/ cool down, its really not as bad as you would think it is.

 

Both can make the same power. (more than you could ever dream of using) Turbo setups will give you less room under the hood, and more heat while your driving.

Also, turbo kits are more rare, and there are not as many people making them. I have heard of some guys who ordered their turbo kit (and paying for it in full) and then having to wait 8-12 MONTHS to recieve it!

Really the biggest difference will be money spent in getting your car setup to either. On average, everything needed for a supercharger setup will run you $10,000 (maybe more depending on if you want top of the line parts). If you want to go turbo, plan on an additional $7,000-$8,000 on top of the $ needed for the SC setup. (yeah it gets expensive. This is why you don't see turbo and SC'd F-bodies around every corner)

 

The turbo will always make more power than a supercharger because pumping losses are less than mechanical drive losses. The turbo will also make more low-end and peak torque since you get full boost at a low rpm. The main down-side of the turbo is the lag. No matter what you do, boost will not hit instantly like it does on a supercharged car.

You can adjust the boost on a turbo by simply turning a screw or ****. You don't have to change the turbo every time you want to change the boost. I can run anywhere from 11 to 25 psi on mine, lower if I had a bigger wastegate.

Tell that to all the 18 wheeler, turbo GN, Mustang SVO, and Neon SRT4 owners out there...

Oh, waaaaaaiiiit a sec. . . you're talking about a rear-mount? In that case, the power level is about the same between an SC and turbo.

I had a T-trim Vortech and believe me, the whine gets old. It was cool for the first 10,000 miles, but sounded like fingernails on a chalkboard after that. I installed the turbo and now there is no whine and the exhaust is quieter too.

Mike

 

Not the Rear mount kits, I've dismissed that option. I have ground clearance problems as it is. The main intake tube runs under the front K member. And having headers apparently makes for less exh density, therefor effecting spool.

I found a Turbo kit, right off one manifold, for $1900. Granted it IS basic... no intercooler, probably no fuel system upgrades. Designed for 5-8psi. But I could spend $800 for the intercooler upgrade w/ piping. I'd add about $1000 for fuel system upgrades. But having one reg LOG type manifold and one header.... THat would be a bit a$$ backwards.

 

Who makes this kit?

I don't follow the description, but are you just saying that it's a log kit? That's not a$$ backwards - in fact, some of those run pretty dang good.

Mike

 

Huh, I thought I had a link to it in the thread. I was drunk when I wrote it last night.


http://www.turbo-zone.com/

It's in the LSx section.... Got it from the LS1tech sponsor banner.

It just seems odd to me to have one log manifold and one header.

...ethanol injection instead of the intercooler??

 

It's fine. Trust me.

 

THat was fast...

Any links to a similar setup? Pics? The manufacturer would/should have a Y or something to mate to the existing exh?

 

That would be a hell of a buy over the rear mount ones.

I just couldnt justify ever getting one of the rear mount STS units. Glad to hear you eliminated it as a choice.

And as for methonal injection, I would say get an intercooler over just methanol. With an intercooler, you can ALWAYS pound on it, whenever you want. No need to fill another bottle. More reliable. Less maintenence. But, I cant say anything but good stuff about what I have seen with the injection either. WHy not get an intercooler now, and pick up a used meth injection unit later on down the road. Then you could run more boost ...

 

The Turbo Zone kit for $1700 is only the piping or 'hot parts'... -BS.. ... Man, which ever way I look at it... FI 'ANT cheap! Too good to be true.


Pluss I've read about a couple guys on LS1tech not getting parts and ETC.. They don't offer pictures for any of thier kits. -Seems kinda shady.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=600420

 

Now that I think about it, I believe the PTK hot parts are about that same price. Plus, they make a very high quality kit.

 

I didnt check the site out. Just going off of what they said. Talk is cheap, but it sounded good lol.

Really though, when it gets down to it, I would never go with a small brand unless it was for something custom, you cant get anywhere else. Otherwise, your in for it. Youll get ****ty customer service, etc.

 

I'm tired of the whine too. I miss the sweet rumble of my Hotcam through the SLP 2OTL. Truly wonderful. Of course, the SC does add a few more HP and that seems to mollify my irritation pretty much.

 

Can you please help this newb understand where all this money goes? Looks like you could get an entry level kit for $4K and a decent one for $6K. What kind of stuff is the extra money spent on?

Thanks, Bob