Tuning for boost with stock pcm?
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From: Breese, IL
Re: Tuning for boost with stock pcm?
the PCB was expensive... It was $680ish. To me, it was well spent because I was able to have the FAST system up and running in minutes, got rid of the stock PCM (place to mount the FAST), and I had no wire splicing to do.
I already had a used FAST ECM w/ WBO2 sensor to go with it. You can probably get used for around $900 bringing your total setup to around $1600. It's steep compared to megasquirt, but the time saved was more than worth it.
I already had a used FAST ECM w/ WBO2 sensor to go with it. You can probably get used for around $900 bringing your total setup to around $1600. It's steep compared to megasquirt, but the time saved was more than worth it.
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Re: Tuning for boost with stock pcm?
For less than 2000$ (or right around there for all new stuff) to have a plug and play setup that has better controlability all around than the stock setup, and still retain all dash function, etc... seems worth it to me. 
I take it you still utilize the optispark?
I take it you still utilize the optispark?
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Re: Tuning for boost with stock pcm?
Originally Posted by 5.0THIS
For less than 2000$ (or right around there for all new stuff) to have a plug and play setup that has better controlability all around than the stock setup, and still retain all dash function, etc... seems worth it to me.
I take it you still utilize the optispark?
I take it you still utilize the optispark?
I think the extra money was well worth it not to sit in the engine bay with a soldering iron, cussing at my car for a few hours. I hate wiring. 15 minute install and the dead weight of the stock computer is gone.
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From: Marietta, GA
Re: Tuning for boost with stock pcm?
Originally Posted by 5.0THIS
For less than 2000$ (or right around there for all new stuff) to have a plug and play setup that has better controlability all around than the stock setup, and still retain all dash function, etc... seems worth it to me.
I take it you still utilize the optispark?
I take it you still utilize the optispark?
and i got everything you did for less than $500 ...but add in about 20 hours of work...so i guess its just a matter of how much time you have and how deep your pockets are.
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Re: Tuning for boost with stock pcm?
Originally Posted by LT1-TA
well im going to buy the complete ready to go board cuz i hate soldering wires and never tried soldering on a board. And since this is going to run my baby im not going to learn on it. LoL.
So imma buy the stimulater and Complete board and wiring harness.
But since i already have a OBDII car, what will I do there on the ignition? And i will still be able to use my mallory box right?
Does MSII only watch the A/F ratio off one o2 sensor (random question i know. but jsut been reading and wondered)?
I have NO tuning experince at all.. i just know where my A/f ration needs to be generaly. But that is as deep as i know... so will i have a lot of probelms and a steep learning curve or what?
THanks for your help man... lol... at least i will be able to help others when i get this done a through with....
So imma buy the stimulater and Complete board and wiring harness.
But since i already have a OBDII car, what will I do there on the ignition? And i will still be able to use my mallory box right?
Does MSII only watch the A/F ratio off one o2 sensor (random question i know. but jsut been reading and wondered)?
I have NO tuning experince at all.. i just know where my A/f ration needs to be generaly. But that is as deep as i know... so will i have a lot of probelms and a steep learning curve or what?
THanks for your help man... lol... at least i will be able to help others when i get this done a through with....
anyone able to answer?
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From: Marietta, GA
Re: Tuning for boost with stock pcm?
Originally Posted by LT1-TA
anyone able to answer?
yes the MSII only watches o2 from one sensor, you can install two with a toggle switch to go back and forth, or just assume that both banks are running the same...thats entirely your call, but as of now, its only able to watch one o2 input
it is a fairly steep learning curve, but the MSII has an auto tune function based on o2, map, rpm, and ignition readings to help you dial your tune in. do some reading at www.msefi.com and www.megasquirt.info for more in depth info on tuning, eveythign you need to know can be found at one of these two sites.
and about helpin others, man thats what this site is all about!
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From: Marietta, GA
Re: Tuning for boost with stock pcm?
Originally Posted by Roadie
I already had a used FAST ECM w/ WBO2 sensor to go with it. You can probably get used for around $900 bringing your total setup to around $1600. It's steep compared to megasquirt, but the time saved was more than worth it.
Going the MS route i basically saved between $60 and $80 an hour doing it myself...about 20 hours labor, saved $1200 over your setup, and about $1600over a FAST setup...and if i did another one, im sure i could have the car up and running in under 15 hours
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From: Florence, Kentucky
Re: Tuning for boost with stock pcm?
Originally Posted by will62085
not tryin to be a dick, im saying this to try and help others make an informed decision about the cost of these "plug and play" stand alone systems.
Going the MS route i basically saved between $60 and $80 an hour doing it myself...about 20 hours labor, saved $1200 over your setup, and about $1600over a FAST setup...and if i did another one, im sure i could have the car up and running in under 15 hours
Going the MS route i basically saved between $60 and $80 an hour doing it myself...about 20 hours labor, saved $1200 over your setup, and about $1600over a FAST setup...and if i did another one, im sure i could have the car up and running in under 15 hours
Will,
I already have an obd 2 timing cover that I removed for my cloyes true roller. Would I be able to set up the crank trigger with a cloyes true roller or would I have to digress back to the stock timing chain setup?
Thanks
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From: Marietta, GA
Re: Tuning for boost with stock pcm?
Originally Posted by 97WS6Pilot
Will,
I already have an obd 2 timing cover that I removed for my cloyes true roller. Would I be able to set up the crank trigger with a cloyes true roller or would I have to digress back to the stock timing chain setup?
Thanks
I already have an obd 2 timing cover that I removed for my cloyes true roller. Would I be able to set up the crank trigger with a cloyes true roller or would I have to digress back to the stock timing chain setup?
Thanks
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From: Wyoming
Re: Tuning for boost with stock pcm?
Originally Posted by will62085
you cannot use the gm crank sensor with the cloyes true roller, but you can use a generic small block chevy crank sensor out of any summit catalog, somethign similar to summit part number MSD-8610
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Re: Tuning for boost with stock pcm?
Originally Posted by LT1-TA
oh.. and on that... what about my car with the optispark thing? I have a OBDII car already... what do i do there?
too add to this.. i dont need to buy any sensors or special wiring pigtails of any sort do i? I can jsut the the stock sensors and plugs to wirign into megasquirt and im set correct?
Thanks a lot... i may have to start ordering this ****...
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From: Marietta, GA
Re: Tuning for boost with stock pcm?
Originally Posted by LT1-TA
too add to this.. i dont need to buy any sensors or special wiring pigtails of any sort do i? I can jsut the the stock sensors and plugs to wirign into megasquirt and im set correct?
Thanks a lot... i may have to start ordering this ****...
Thanks a lot... i may have to start ordering this ****...
opti stays hooked up like normal so it runs the tach, but the coil is driven off the msII, so the opti is not actually controlling anything
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Re: Tuning for boost with stock pcm?
Originally Posted by will62085
yes use all your stock pigtails...thats what i did
opti stays hooked up like normal so it runs the tach, but the coil is driven off the msII, so the opti is not actually controlling anything
opti stays hooked up like normal so it runs the tach, but the coil is driven off the msII, so the opti is not actually controlling anything
Ok... so to use the opti im going to use my existing crank sensor to give the signal to the MSII for spark??
lol.. cant say thanks enough.. thanks again..
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Re: Tuning for boost with stock pcm?
Originally Posted by LT1-TA
Ok... so to use the opti im going to use my existing crank sensor to give the signal to the MSII for spark??
lol.. cant say thanks enough.. thanks again..
lol.. cant say thanks enough.. thanks again..