I wasn't a flamer.. i was a non believer totally different things... I know what it is to make 600rwhp and now 700rwhp (although not there yet but $ wise and component wise) and its not an easy thing.

You refused to tell many thing about this setup. Like it had mounted a t72, which i dont remember. I didn't say 22.5psi.. i said 22.5REARWHEELHP per PSI boost... which is a very "efficient" system with stock heads and cam...

Still... I believe the cars need a lot more fuel system and I would love to see a finished product installed.

 

You should really get your facts straight before posting this crap.

The KIT ordering you refer to was a GP that ended in January not October-November. We have run into some production problems and that happens. However, we have made ourselves available to the costumer to answer questions, give updates, and keep people informed. I even invited one of the guys who lives near by to come over, see what we had and bought him dinner. We have given excellent customer service and if there are problems we will continue to support our customers.

Further, all but the largest vendors don't keep $3000/unit items sitting around on the shelves. We can't afford to have that much money wrapped up. We might not be as big as the biggest and you do get what you pay for. From us, you get a quality kit that makes awesome numbers but you have to wait for it to be manufactured. This is how we keep our costs down. Most people I know would much rather wait longer, as long as the communication remains open, and save a grand or so or make more power.

Limited potential? ROFL! Stock Firebird V6, stock programming, turbo kit. 349.5/415.3 to the tires @ 4300rpm despite being speed limited and running off the chart rich @15psi. Same turbo pegged a 20psi boost gauge before I could get out of it when testing a turbonetics boost controller. That sure seems like seriously limited potential to me on an engine that made ~160/200 before the turbo kit.

 

The offer still stands for anyone that wants to see the kit to come and see it. I gave alot of information about the kit but I didn't want to post pics or give someone a detailed instruction manual about it. The kit isn't in the wild yet and I don't want someone copying my designs until I can release it and atleast get some credit. Sorry, I want credit for my designs. I posted dyno sheets, I posted time slips, and plenty of information.

Regardless, pictures don't make the kit perform as I said it has so I still ask, we does anyone need pics of the plumbing to verify my numbers? Again, you are more than welcome to come up and see one of these systems in action but until I am ready to release the kit, I'm not posting pics of it.

 

As long as you're only thinking about you're OK. The pain will start when you pullout your wallet.

 

Im not worried about the money part. I will spend it with no problem Im just trying to get some info first.

 

The kit uses a large frame 72??? First question is why?? Second is who makes a large frame 72?? Never seen a T6 flanged 72, unless its a Schwitzer.

Jose

 

Yep

Because we are using a larger shaft and turbine wheel which makes the turbo tougher. It spools plenty well as it is so traded some spool time in exchange for strength.

We have them balanced and assembled for us. Shoot me an email if you are interested in them. These work very well for the abuse we give them on the street.

 

Here's some real good advice: If you want to go turbo, take your car to a shop (i.e., LPE) that has proven that it can and has built LS1/LT1 turbo cars. Do not try to "do it yourself".

 

If I buy the kit I know plenty of people locally that can install it. I wouldnt try to put it on myself or let any ol' shade tree mechanic put it on.

 

You might have to define "shade tree mechanic" for some of the site users.

 

Hmmm... lets see here. Im sure everyone has seen em. Usually an older guy who talks with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth and it just makes you wonder why he never drops it. Hes usually had about a 12 pack or so while sitting on an old *** chair underneath a tree waiting on you to stop by. Im sure there are lots of other things you could say about one of these "shade tree mechanics".

 

If you have seen "The Original Kings of Comedy" movie, Cedric The Entertainer does an excellant imitation of one.

 

Yes Ive seen that. Its hilarious!

 

So basically all I see here is blah blah blah, blah blah blah, and then some bull**** excuses mixed in for effect. Here's what I've seen from people that are posting on V6 sights. They indeed ordered stuff in 2003 (doesnt matter when the GP ENDED), and the fact of the matter is they still dont have all of their parts. and thats bull****. You cant go offering a kit for sale if you dont have everything worked out, and ready to ship. The problems you ran into after that (wether valid or not) are YOUR problems, not your customers.... You should have crossed that bridge long before even thinking of a group purchase, hell, long before advertising the kit at all!. Do some looking, I dont think you'll find a single company starting a group purchase of an item(s) that arent even finalized and tested. I dont care how small your little company is.. if you start a group purchase, that means you have to have whatever it is you're selling laying around waiting to be shipped.. thats the idea!!! Maybe I should start a GP on a turbo kit that I'm going to build here in the next couple of years, and when people want pics of it, I wont give them out, they'll just have to wait and be surprised at what I send them. If you cant afford to have that much money wrapped up, then you shouldnt have even started this little venture. Another fact of this matter: you've had people's money for 6-8 months, and they still have incomplete turbo kits (of which the components might as well be paperweights with out all of the stuff they're still missing) to show for it. Your customers dont need to be well informed via good lines of communication.. they need their ****ing parts!!!!

One more question: Do you like being one of Tiago's little minions? He is a turbo God after all.

 

HAha, you are so know it all.

All parties involved in the GP knew the circumstances on only fabricating/procurement until after payment is recieved. Thats the only way it could happen. All testing/prototyping was done year before this. The delays were not related to that. I am not proud of how long it has taken, but being the first production runs , we had things to iron out. We don't keep inventory, everything is built custom for each buyer, nobody can beat our prices/performance. Specially if you take that ratio, so it is a trade off if you wanna call it that.