Ive recently been itching to supercharge my car and was pretty close to getting a procharger but ive been reading these boards alot and have heard lots of good things about the PTK kit and having a turbo sounds even more appealing. do you think it would be worth my money and time to buy this turbo kit if im only gonna be running max boost of 8psi cuz i have stock internals?? or is this kit only worth getting if you want to go real big with the boost?? im asking because the PTK kit will cost a bit more than the procharger for sure but will def make more power and turbos are way cooler! i know eventually ill prolly blow my motor up and when that day comes il rebuild it. Im pretty sure i dont want an STS, not hating on anyone who has that kit just would rather go with the traditional front mount if im gonna spend $ on a turbo setup. also what other things would be needed along with the kit i.e injectors, fuel pump, boost contorller, gauges, anything else please feel free to chime in. i wanna know how much this is goona run me money wise Vs. the procharger. thanks alot guys.
Nick

 

With stock internals a SC is the ONLY way to go if you don't want the STS system.
Besides it's quite pointless getting a complete Turbo setup (which is always a lot more compliacted and expensive than a SC setup) if you are only gonna run .8 of boost and even then your running on the edge.

Turbo's are known to have boost spikes so even with (expensive) boostcontrollers you might experience a bit more boost at times than you bargained for.
Besides, i yet have to see the first person who has a turbo engine and can refuse the temptation of upping the boost to see the increase of power.

Btw, a turbo setup is ALOT more expensive than a similar boost level SC kit before you have it all dialed in and have it all properly and safely working, not too mention the installation which is not easy.

 

uhh.... right...

Anyway, a PTK kit will work fine on a stock motor, and will have a bigger area under the curve. You will need all of the things you mentioned (boost controller, fuel pump and injectors, boost/FP gauges). You may also want to get a MSD box, and you'll need some way to tune the car. How well the kit would perform on a stock motor is largely dependent on getting the correct turbo for the boost level you want to run.

 

PTK all the way! I have a Gen 2 on order which is almost complete. I use to run a Procharger and have only good things to say about it. But in terms of power the PTK will give you alot more. Besides after you blow the motor or get greedy for more power you can always adjust the boost from the comfort of your drivers seat instead of having to replace a pulley on a blower! And like you mentioned above, turbos are just cooler all around. You will need to do some things with your fuel system(fuel pump upgrade, injectors), get a good electronic boost controller( eboost) and make sure you have an unobstructed exhaust on the car. Hell one of Joses customers ran 11.03 @ 130plus!!!stock! And it would have laid down a high 10 past if the pistons didnt let go. One other thing, as you probably already know, you will have to select a turbo which does not come with the kit. I am going with the T76GTS seeing as how my power goal is pretty lofty. Go to www.forcedinductions.com. Both jose,owner of forced inductions and Dalton over at PTK are absolutely awesome and will answer every question you might have. Cheers

 

thanks for the reply guys. the PTK it is very appealing and it is a little more expensive but that doesnt really bother me as long as im getting a quality product. I could just go the easy route and get the procharger but i kinda want a project. btw, how hard is the PTK kit to install?? i installed Jet hots LT's on my car and they were a biatch!! also if i want to get an intercooler to install am i going to need to take off the whole front end?? just wanna know what im up against when install time comes. thanks.

 

oo yah one more question for you turbo guys, someone told me to get the kit you need to get a tubular k member, is this true?? if so how much are they and where is the best place??

 

As far as the k-member goes, you do not have to run an aftermarket tubular unit to clear the PTK gen 2. Although I would recommend one because it will free up more space which makes access better and the tubular one also drops some weight off of an already heavy car. I bought a BMR tubular k-memeber and am going to be utilizing the stock motor mounts. I would warn against the polyurethane ones, they SUCK! Its amazing how much room the BMR unit gives you. Changing plug wires is cake compared to the stock one. I bought my BMR k-member off ebay for $400 shipped. They are more than that from most places, but I dont know exactly how much $$. I would highly recommend one while you are in there installing the PTK kit.

 

almost forgot, the intercooler install requires that the front bumper cover be removed. There is a pic of the intercooler installed at www.forcedinductions.com under GM camaro/Firebird gen 2. Click on it and drag down. This will give you some idea of what it will lool like. I have yet to install my kit, but I have been told that its not very difficult ( although this depends on your level of ability). The real issue is the cramped space of a 4th gen, which can make anything a pain. I take my time when i do anything on my car. I like to do it right the first time. And I have been known to be ultra ****. I would say this kit wouldnt be any more challenging than installing a Procharger. And you have already installed headers, so when it comes time to rip those off, you know what to expect. Dont forget, unless you can weld you will have to take the car to an exhaust shop to mate the exhaust properly.

 

Man, someday you will be wishing you never wanted 'a project' ...
They always end up costing way too much and they never seem to stop.
Be advised that a serious Turbo powered LT1 car that can handle it, brake it, and enjoy it (reliable !!) easily runs you a cool $15k from start to finish and this is not exageration.

A different K-member is sometimes advised due to extra room but if a kit is made for the LT1 it should fit with the factory kmember unless it's specificly mentioned.
The entire frontclip indeed has to come off and be prepared to do some cutting, welding and more creative stuff before it all sits nice and tight upfront and it's effective (bigger air inlets on the camaro bumper).
If you worry about this sort of thing i would not even go close to any turbo setup and simply opt for a SC kit which is easier to install and will get you the numbers if your not aiming for Supercar performance.

A turbo setup is far from a walk in the park, no matter what a company claimes. Before you have it all dialed in and working you will have spend weeks and not taking engine internal alterations in mind.

 

YEah, it might cost you 15,000 if you are contemplating what I am, 1,000RWHP. But this guy isnt shooting for that. He wants something that will give him more power than a sc kit and will be expandable in the future. He wont need a serious brake kit like what I am utilizing (Brembo), more like LS1 brakes with HP pads and stainless lines. And at the level he expects he can still use the factory ecu and just have it tuned. Just out of curiousity, how many FI camaros have you personally built? Sounds like you have had some bad experiences. For 4,899 you can get an air2air kit with a t70 turbo. At the level this guy expects, there are few other things he will need, unless he wants more hp.

 

I have never built a FI LT1 but i have years of FI experience with 4 bangers.
I've been there and therefore i know it adds up fast.

I know he's not aiming for 1000RWHP but it looks like he wants half of that.
Now i'm not sure about you but i think there is A LOT that needs to be dealt with other than the turbokit itself.
A car with 500RWHp needs to stop and the factory setup is NOT gonna cut it, same goes for the rear end and several suspension parts.
Power is nothing without control right ?
A proper fuel setup (even for 500hp) will run you close to a G and there's more.

I might not have actual LT1 FI experience but from what i know from experience and from what i read here on the forum typed by FI owners there's always a list of things that add to the bill and they add up really quick, regardless of the HP level granted that he does want to keep it in one piece and wants to run it without problems and a good tune.

 

Thanx for all the input guys, i think i might just get the procharger because of ease of tuning and its a lil more reliable with stock internals. someday when the engine blows up ill forge everything and order the PTK kit. Im thinking D1SC with twin high flow intercoolers, 8lbs, and methanol injection sounds nice. my sig isnt that updated but my mods are LT's borla, suspension stuff, stage II tranny with 2800 stall and a few other little things. with 8lbs intercooled what kinda power/torque can i expect to make at the wheels?? and also if i just get the supercharger i can use the extra money i would of used on the turbo setup to get a moser 12 bolt hehe (with a superchareger coming i guess ill prolly be needin that soon anyway lol). also will i need injectors and a fuel pump when i install this kit or just one or the other?? thanks alot you guys are alot of help!!
Nick

 

First, sergio, yes you are correct in that you will need more than just the turbo kit. But it is by no means a laundry list when you are talking 400-500rwhp on an LT-1. Yes he will need a fuel pump and injectors. As far as the 10 bolt rear goes, with that level on the steet it should hold up with a girdle and some crossed fingers. If he drags the car, then yes, he will have to add that $$ into his budget. But I never once stated that he wouldnt have to spend extra. Just not 15gs like you first stated in the above post. Nick, the procharger is NOT more reliable with stock internals. Yes 8psi of intercooled boost along with a SAFE dyno tune should be just fine with either kit. But I will tell you that the PTK will put down more power psi for psi than the Procharger, PERIOD. And if you do it right the first time and get the PTK you wont have to remove the Procharger, sell it for nothing and start all over again. YOu will have to do all the same things to the sc kit,dyno tune, fuel system upgrades. Only thing you will really need to buy with the PTK is a nice boost controller(the Procharger is stuck at 8psi until you buy and install a pulley!) If you want the Procharger, get it. But you will be much more happy with the turbo kit. Call jose at forced inductions before you make up your mind. Good luck with whatever you decide!

 

oo man i was hoping someone would say somthin like that cuz i really want the turbo kit a whole lot more. plus you cant beat the fact that you can turn down the boost for normal driving and then turn it back up again when you need it. Im not going to get any kit yet as id like to do a little more research and still need to save some more money, but i think im def gonna go the PTK way . the parts will be expensive yes but im gonna do all the work myself save for tuning which i will prolly have speed inc do. ok heres my list so far:

PTK gen 2 kit w/ turbo and intercooler
walbro 255 fuel pump
injectors..any size recomendations???
boost controller
MSD 6 box..also which one would u guys recommend??
boost,fuel guages
anything else???

 

Feel free to e-mail me....I can help you with what you need.

Jose