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Bill knows what he is talking about. With a 2 step on a luanch you can have virtually no lag. Guys that roll race with big turbos will have some lag. There are supra guys that with big turbos that roll race and it takes them a few seconds to get going. With a 2 step these same cars can run 8's in the 1/4. Track racing versus street racing... different results.
Do you even know what you are saying? We have already established that there is virtually no lag here, and even a large turbo can achieve max boost at half the RPM that a blower takes to make all its boost.
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I think I might be just about the only one who has 600+ RWHP and can still get traction in 1st gear on cold street tires (Nitto DR's). By the time I am at max boost I am already moving along fast enough where I can still hook up awesome. I can also run with guys with 150-300 RWHP more than me because I toast them off the line and down low while they are doing the sliding dance. By the time they hook up, I'm usually almost done with the 1/4 mile. Now, racing at 100+ MPH when they can actually hook up is a different story.
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BTW, that was a high 10 second civic and a turbo 5.0 mustang on some 28x11.50x15 mt's.
Plain and simple, with a blower you can't turn it down like you can with a turbo. On the street in a HIGH hp setup, the turbo has the advantage if dialed in correctly.
Bill knows what he is talking about. With a 2 step on a luanch you can have virtually no lag. Guys that roll race with big turbos will have some lag. There are supra guys that with big turbos that roll race and it takes them a few seconds to get going. With a 2 step these same cars can run 8's in the 1/4. Track racing versus street racing... different results.
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Bill knows what he is talking about. With a 2 step on a luanch you can have virtually no lag. Guys that roll race with big turbos will have some lag. There are supra guys that with big turbos that roll race and it takes them a few seconds to get going. With a 2 step these same cars can run 8's in the 1/4. Track racing versus street racing... different results.
I'm not doubting that you can take out cars with a lot more power, but nittos just don't hold enough to really HOOK honestly. Didn't you run at the track already with a good mph and BAD et? That shows a lack of traction! I'm sorry, but when I'm talking about cars HOOKING on the street, I mean 1.5x 60fts, going wheels up(I've had two cars do it), and leaving straight NASTY. I'm pretty sure my heavy TBSS would've got you through all of 1st.
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) is what I was talking about it. Just stepping on the gas with 3 honks roll racing, there will be lag with a big turbo. Now the question is... what is considered big 
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V8 or V6... doesnt matter for what I was trying to show. Using the 2 step for launching from a stop versus roll racing (no break boosting Justin ) is what I was talking about it. Just stepping on the gas with 3 honks roll racing, there will be lag with a big turbo. Now the question is... what is considered big ?
) is what I was talking about it. Just stepping on the gas with 3 honks roll racing, there will be lag with a big turbo. Now the question is... what is considered big ?
The point I think we are both trying to convey here is that with a turbo, max boost is acheivable from much lower in the RPM band, which can be good if its not sporting 900+ RWHP on the street and you can actually use the power.
However if he wants something he can actually use on the street, a blower may be better if he wants the bigger numbers and still be able to hook up due to the fact that the boost doesn't peak until higher in the RPM band.
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honestly, what are your goals for the car? Is it going to be a street car? drag car? what
IMO, over 600RWHP is too much for the street. Thats why I am going with a small(er) turbo. It will spool faster than such a big one, and will be plenty fun for the street, and give good results at the track too. Remember, theres two parts to going fast at the track
Traction and horsepower
if you dont have traction, the HP is worthless.
Hooking 900RWHP is a lot harder than hooking 600RWHP
IMO, over 600RWHP is too much for the street. Thats why I am going with a small(er) turbo. It will spool faster than such a big one, and will be plenty fun for the street, and give good results at the track too. Remember, theres two parts to going fast at the track
Traction and horsepower
if you dont have traction, the HP is worthless.
Hooking 900RWHP is a lot harder than hooking 600RWHP
Now you're talking specifics, big to you may not be big to me
The point I think we are both trying to convey here is that with a turbo, max boost is acheivable from much lower in the RPM band, which can be good if its not sporting 900+ RWHP on the street and you can actually use the power.
However if he wants something he can actually use on the street, a blower may be better if he wants the bigger numbers and still be able to hook up due to the fact that the boost doesn't peak until higher in the RPM band.
The point I think we are both trying to convey here is that with a turbo, max boost is acheivable from much lower in the RPM band, which can be good if its not sporting 900+ RWHP on the street and you can actually use the power.
However if he wants something he can actually use on the street, a blower may be better if he wants the bigger numbers and still be able to hook up due to the fact that the boost doesn't peak until higher in the RPM band.
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But he hasn't specified exactly what he wants yet, other than blower or supercharger and big HP.
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[QUOTE=CALL911;5137316]not bad. The problem with turbos, is they give more TQ than HP, which IMO makes hooking a LOT harder for a turbo car, and I dont think the OP realizes that or what a 900HP car is capable of and just wants the bragging rights
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There are guys out there that just want the bragging rights of "who has the most power", and I can understand their greed for power. This may be what the OP wants, but it won't be worth anything on the street, and I am just trying to make sure he is aware of this.
IMO (and thats all it is) RWHP is pointless if you can't use it. Just the same IMO of having a sports car that is a show winner, but you don't drive it. Ideally if you want a car you can enjoy and get the most out of on the street, you want to max out the power level to the limits of traction. Once you reach no traction, the added power is a waste.
But thats just me. The OP might want something that he only hooks up at triple digits, or something that he only can use to have big RWHP bragging rights. If thats the case, a big Turbo is the way to go.
IMO (and thats all it is) RWHP is pointless if you can't use it. Just the same IMO of having a sports car that is a show winner, but you don't drive it. Ideally if you want a car you can enjoy and get the most out of on the street, you want to max out the power level to the limits of traction. Once you reach no traction, the added power is a waste.
But thats just me. The OP might want something that he only hooks up at triple digits, or something that he only can use to have big RWHP bragging rights. If thats the case, a big Turbo is the way to go.
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The tq is higher then the hp when there is a restriction with the system (hotparts design, restrictive heads, etc.). HP will be higher than tq, even with turbos when the motor can breathe.
