i want it completly streetable, but that doesnt mean my numbers will be small.
when i get it thrown together i put it on the dyno and see what it makes.
same small cubed 347 i have in it now. i was hoping to compare spool but since youll be on a bigger motor, it will make it more apple/oranges.
guess it will be run whatcha brung.

if your doing the ls2, what engine management are you going to be using?

 

we are gonna try stock pcm still. Its not a full ls2, Im buying it with all the adapters to make ls1/ls6 parts work also. I will most likely end up going to a t76 as well cause I think the gt70 will be out of steam. But we will see. My car is a pig anyway, you will probably still pull me

Hey I noticed your in ohio? Im out there every march at the arnold classic bodybuilding show. You ever go to that?

 

Mike likes men

Just kidding, please dont powerbomb me

 

... I dont think you're understanding me on this one. And believe me, in the spring I will come and meet you, and your car, face to face.

You didnt make a Front Mount Car. You could have. I could have built a 383. I didnt. We all have our reasons. I'm not pissed about how much you paid at all - the OBX is a sweet deal. I'd have gotten one if I felt like stuffing it into my bumper - which I didnt - so I just went air/water (which was more expensive it turns out, no biggie).

You paid $4000 for the kit, which is fine. I read your post and figured you were talking about the $4000 LS1 kit straight up. I was like "wait... he doesnt have the LS1 kit alone, he has other toys added". You didnt pay $4000 for the base kit even. It's good to know what you have, what you did, and what you got. Mention it then, post the details so I know! Post the details so we see how little it took to get your car where it is! But STS still didnt get that FMIC in there. Slowhawk did I take it? I trust you and slowhawk at this point on a lot of things from other threads. Your car makes a LOT of power, and the GTO install was top-of-the-line.

I have no excuses. I wish my car were faster. I wish it had more power. But hey, I think this much is enough to **** myself with no roof on the car. Agree? Not many people have ridden in a 600+rwhp car - and I drove a GN with 597rwhp - and I pretty nearly leaked on the seat. It's a trip.

Your car will be faster then mine. I've said that elsewhere. That's why I'm impressed. A rear mount obviously has a lot of potential in many ways, and you have led the way more then any other STS owner. If you got the setup for free on top of it - all the better. I wish mine were

And I know people keep bashing you. I know they are stuck up on a great many things (I wont name anyone) but from talking to you, you've been very level and open minded. I know you're good to be calm about all this, and I'd expect you to be one of the most level headed guys in here. When you spent a length of time talking about how this was your "putter around" car and you were working on a more serious setup, I noticed. Obviously you guys out there have a lot under your belts and know your stuff. I never doubted that. A rear mount making that much hp is no laughing matter - and you've shown what they can do.

And yes, you have every right to bash PTK lately for it's lackluster performance in customer relations and lead times. That pisses me off too. As of this thread posting, STS has the lead when it comes to customer service, response to emails, and lead times.

I'd love to meet you guys in the spring. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think a big gathering would be good for everyone, myself included. Getting a big group of guys together and talking only spreads knowledge - and knowledge is horse-power

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And I figure if anyone is going to turn some ignorant people into believers on the STS subject, it's gonna be you. Sucks to be the guy in the lead, but your car and your additude is gonna be the only one to do it. You're the one poster on STS stuff that I really read. I know your car made more power then any other to this point. I figure your results and your car, with your time, will educate. Sometimes people are ignorant - but that doesnt mean they cant learn.

Oh, and dont swear so much in your posts - it isnt necessary. And it's also against the forum rules to try to get around it.

A note - a while back you said you bought an STS kit, then modded it to add the FMIC and such. That's my curiousity. You bought the kit, then changed it. By all means let us (and STS) know what you did to make the kit better, unless you want to keep your cheerios to yourself, which I would understand. My kit isnt out of the box, but it's close. So is yours. But the differences we have make a big deal. That FMIC of yours makes a difference. Again... what did you guys do differently that made the power? I cant tell really till I can grasp it physically - which means seeing it for my own eyes.

If I am impressed enough to do a rear mount by your car, I will do so. That's one reason I want to meet you. I want to know how you guys got a rear mount to do so well. What did you guys do so well that hasnt been done yet? What's the sense behind it all? What happened? What's there?

I want to see what you guys are working on.

Pipe Dream? No. Unlike many, I can say I've got things done. Things bought. More reciepts then I wish I had. A huge pile of parts and a car that just sits there till the spring. Compared to guys talking about what they're going to do - the guys that dont even have the car or the money, to the guys with the car that dont have the kit... I'm not looking in 6 months. A year ago my car was a pipe dream. Now it's just waiting for warm weather.

And I am a nice guy... really My biggest beef with the internet is not knowing all the details because most of us never meet each other. I pulled out my list of parts for my turbo kit. That's what I've got. I want it known so that you (and others) know where I'm coming from. I will post every last detail of my setup when it's done. Like the guys from STS that posted the first 12psi lt1 run. No details. Or the sparse lt1 PTK results we have. Few details, or just a word of mouth.

Compared to most of the Front Kits - MOST of them - I'd rather have an STS. Compared to a log style setup - rear mount is more efficient and less harmful on the motor. If I hadnt found PTK right when I did, I'd be an STS owner right now myself.

Believe me - I was VERY close to placing an order with STS.

 

Apoligize for the swearing geoff, its just me. You seem standup enough, and I honestly do want to me you and see your car and get a ride. I wasnt just saying it. If you ever can come this way please let me know. I would rather hang out and talk shop then on the internet. Caught me grouchy in the morning and im dieting for a competition right now Good luck with you car. We need to form a meet or track day and just get over this crap.

As for a front mount, I will be sure to do extra homework when i get one since some of these kits are not up to par. I was unaware.

 

What does the fact im gay have anything to do with my STS

Im kidding people I am not gay in the sense of liking men, Im gay though for picking a rear mount obvioulsy

LOL!

Acutally John boy, Im in the weider booth every year with lou ferrigono, hes a friend of the family and I help him out with money an security. Nothing like 100000 fitness chicks for 3 days.

 

You want a ride in my car as much as I want a ride in yours! I said I was close to an STS. I knew I could make good power if I tweaked an STS. I knew it'd work with some effort. But I had 4 beefs.

1)I wanted an intercooler and they didnt have one yet
2)I want the wastegate plumbed back into the exhaust
3)I want an actual muffler for sound/tone reasons
4)I wanted a shield over the turbo to keep it clean (it can take rocks and such)

Some of those are now solved. They werent then. Because they werent I didnt get one.

My car wont see the track. That why an STS appealed to me. I knew it was a street kit. But when I couldnt get my muffler or my fmic yet, I just decided to do it my way, which was fine by me.

I wonder what you guys over there will be working on this spring by the time I get over there...

Personally, I think STS would do good to get a twin rear mount setup for a Vette... Two little guys back there would be neat...

 

they have the adapters out now? even the knock sensors?

ive gone to the arnold clasic a couple of times, just not lately

 

That is awesome!!!!!!!! I used to always watch the hulk. He is one big SOB.

 

All the adapters are out, only the knock sensors are still an issue. Im not worried about running them. I know what to listen for plus I have faith in my tuner. My current has never had knock either.

Well if you go, come by the weider booth, like I said I will be in it with lou.

 

Well you got a sweet deal going with your kit, you did it very cheap for the money. We did my car just to see how it would do. We ended up very surprised and pleased. But like I said when I do it again it will be a twin turbo front mount setup. I always wanted one. Something about looking under the hood and seeing a big turbo or a couple of them looking back. Not much fun right now telling people to goto the rear of the car

And I have small gripes with my kit, water can and will get into the system if your not careful (I did it) So Im fabbing a shield for that, im sure sts will come out of with something soon too but I aint waiting. Speaking of rocks, my friends qmp t76 kit is a front mount and he hit a rock and killed his turbo in the front of the car, so imagine how much easier it can be in the rear. That got me worried. Nothing a little shield wont fix and the sock does block the water but freak rain comes and it sucks when it does. I also worry about the theft, I know if someone wanted a front mount they could get under there and get it but man the sts is off in minutes in the back. My cars a little low so hopefully they cant get under there.

 

I'm making a skid plate for the front of my car under the engine bay

 

I'm argueing civilly, I'm not flaming anyone or any kit. Yet here you are still bashing the hell out of me for no reason whatsoever. I look like a fool right now? I think not. Once again you're argueing something that is completely besides my point. You're argueing how all these other kits suck, and how your car did this and that and so on. I never mentioned what your car did, nor do I care. Why do you feel the need to always childishy call me names? It's funny, everything you think about my posts, I tend to think about yours as well. I dont see anyone here posting excuses except you. And also, I'm not argueing for any of the front mount kits I used as examples, I know very little about specifically besides the fact that a couple of them are log type systems, which I acknowledge to not be the most efficient design. dont take out your grouchy mornings on me. Go kick the neighbor's dog or something

 

I'd rather see track times compared. Dynos go nowhere fast.

Guess all the STS guys will bring up the GTO that went 11.7s with a cam..and a tire..and...

 

Guess I'll jump in now

Mike's car was a test bed for me.He alway's get's everything at my cost.I payed for the STS and we made a deal so I could test it on his car.If he didn't like it I would of taken it back off and install the D1 again.Well,the STS stayed.The main reason people go STS is the ease of installation,no extra heat under the hood,and not to worry about plug wires/cracked headers.A good front mount is better than the STS,but I see it only when you want to go over 700rwhp which is where we plan on changing the rules again with Mike's new motor.Now keep in mind that this car is not built for the track.If it was we would have a T400 with a trans brake.This is a street car that will beat almost anything he rolls up on when he's cruising.

I guess I'm lucky enough to drive all kinds of cars running different setup's.My wife owns a pretty nasty GN that just has no traction anywhere,I have a Procharged 10 second Corvette.The 11 second GTO I built and drove for 2 day's and I drive Mike's car probly more than he does.Life is good