There's also a something that sticks out at you when looking at his dyno.... a 224/224 cam should peak closer to 6k rpm with a pretty thick curve up top. Instead it peaks around 5k and falls off like a brick. Turbo or not that cam should run better than that, particularly on top end. Must be those backpressure issues of a log style kit setting in.

I'd be more interested in seeing another car with an engine built similar to yours with a kit similar to the PTK. I know the prices are a hot topic when comparing, but i want to see a true performance comparison. $$$ is an issue, yes, you gotta pay to play in either case.

 

so many people get STS cuz of the price... and then ppl show us the 'real' kits and say if you want to go fast, you gotta $$$... well yeah we pay for the STS too... if we REALLY wanna pay, then we should all buy ferraris, forge them, add 5 more cylinders, and then put 4 turbos on them....

price will always be a factor, dont forget

 

Nah... i'd take a twin turbo 632 BBC over the ferrari option. Probably cheaper too.

 

comparing to 3 year old #'s
whatever.
like i said before compare your rear mount to my new setup.
its still not to late for me maybe you can talk me into mounting it in the rear.

 

We will be comparing remember, mines gonna be 800rwhp+ and sts, do you doubt me? . We been over this remember, Come april we will see once again. I wasnt bashing your car either, just using an example. Im sure your new kit will be killer but I guarantee it will the same sitaution. I like you smokinghawk, I wasnt making fun of you or anything, just using an example. But I love how all the excuses come out now, ok so I post some front mount **** and OF COURSE there crap front mounts now. I guess Im gonna have to run a few REAL turbo cars to shut people up. Oh and get your car fixed, according to everyone here theres something wrong with it

 

I noted his was not a good power reading since it was a mustang dyno. Also its typically between 20-40 rwhp under a dynojet and theres NEVER been race gas in my car. But hes under load on a mustang and still peaked the same as me and im on a dynojet. I would have peaked at 4k or sooner apples to apples...no...? Also look at all the other front mount graphs 5.0 posted compare them to mine. There 7k+ kits and there not exactly blowing smoke up my skirt. Esp with 12psi and race gas and more. Look you car is sick no doubt, but theres no doubting my car or my setup, I can hang with a front mount and beat many of them. But everyone knows theres no comparing to a car like yours. You car is the bar people with any turbo would like to reach.

 

now your talking

 

5-Liter-eater:

You mentioned that you had spent $4000 on your kit. I'm gonna hit some quick numbers:

$3995 STS LS1 kit

You then upgraded the turbo. Then added a FMIC. Your kit never costed you $4000, so you just lied saying you made that power on a $4000 kit.

I'm not flaming, you know I'm level headed. Just realize I'm looking at it with your additude on this one. Your kit $4000+ turbo upgrade + bov + fab time + intercooler + intercooler piping means you probably spent $4700-$5000 on your kit.

My PTK kit, all said and done, is cheaper.

$1350 hot parts
$575 MP GT45 turbo (ebay)
$197 Tial Wastegate (ebay)
$201 Tial 50mm BOV (ebay)
$72 Intercooler bends, polished 3.5" pipe
$210 Intercooler for Core (ebay)
$97 Aftercooler End Tanks (20"LG for 3.5" thick core)
$120 Welding Intercooler & BOV flange
$42 Silicone couplers
$109 Downpipe bends & Pipe
$60 Welding Downpipe (Not yet Complete)
$54 Intercooler Pump
$79 Intercooler reserve Tank
$69 Intercooler Heat Exchanger
$14 Intercooler Water Lines
$37 Clamps
$137 Oil Lines for the Turbo

=$3423

I did probably as much fab work as you had to do. I dont think I'm missing anything on that list either. You can say people cant do what I did as much as I can say people cant do what you did. You dont have what STS sells. I dont have what PTK sells. Please stop comparing the two. Had I made my own headers, I'd have saved $1300 off that. Those are all NEW parts top to bottom. So I could have saved more getting used parts.

I hope on 14psi to hit 650rwhp and 590rwtq. But then again my car is an LT1 to start, and certainly doesnt have as good heads as yours does, nor intake manifold etc. Your car will make more power then mine - but my car, and my kit, are cheaper by a longshot. You pay to play, and if cost is an option, I can stand not having the most HP. My car assembled and running when I bought it was less then my engine rebuild.

This thread was a stupid idea from the start. You will not acknowledge any of these cars (except mighty mouse it seems) as being decent. At this point you are just as stubborn as the STS bashers you loathe so much. If you want to start a thread like this - you need to have twice the open mind they do. You need to be twice as calm. If you are trying to make the masses understand and accept something they dont like, you have to work VERY hard to do so.

This thread is a waste of space.

 

ok, ok
the only point i have is look at your graph at 3500rpm, then mine, what do you see?
really compareing our future set ups will be as pointless as well, we would probably have different turbos, different cams, different powerands, different compression ration maybe, differnt heads, differnt dynos, different engine management, etc.


only problem i had with my car is the rings didnt last long, and had a couple of clutch problems (think i got it fixed now)
oh ya it also has an addiction (me not it) so im in the mood to always upgrade
i just never leaned on it because i was trying to resolve those issues.

 

Mike did pay what he said. We had a local vendor offering deals. like I said, the base LT1 kit could have been purchased for $3050. Mike must have paid a few hundered dollars more on his LS1 base kit, thats why his total seems higher then the price I got. Dont go by what STS lists their kits for. Certain distributors always offer deals, and the distributors that dont need to open their eyes and see why they arent getting alot of business

 

Ya but we can still trash talk to each other, So whens the new setup gonna be done? Going for some big HP or you keeping it tame and streetable. I doing the 402 ls2 with 16 psi through the gt70 first. Block will be ready by march I believe. I got a spec stage 5 clutch now and I do not recommend it to you. It wont last more then a couple months with street use. Plus it squeeks so loud it sounds like your chirping the tires everytime you take off. I guess spec came out with some new stage 3f's that are supposed to be good for 950hp.

 

His "kit" is implied to cost $4000. People will assume he is talking about the STS LS1 turbo kit - which he certainly isnt running out of the box. That is my point. Details here are VERY important. If he payed $3000 for the kit, that is a very important detail. 25% ($1000 off!!! Honda doesnt give that off $15+ cars very often!) off Retail is a pretty big deal when you sell low volume.

 

It also seems like PTK is no longer in business...I mean not answering emails or shipping products from what i have been reading. Seems like their will be less and less options for turboing fbodies out there. Maybe thats why we dont see Jose on here anymore either.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262509

http://www.turbomustangs.com/forums/...threadid=31468

Guess i need to come up with a hotparts kit from somewhere else.

 

Ummm ya ok call dez racing and ask for don kinder(slowhawk) and see how much my kit was. What part of I BOUGHT MY KIT from STS didnt you understand. The only change I made was relocating the maf. Holy crap your stubborn. And stop making excuses about your lt1, you trying to make yourself feel better when you dont make my power or something? Your in NY come see me face to face and we can go over all of this. I will pay your gas mileage just to give you a ride and also take the keyboard out of the picture. Face to face things would be put in perspective. And the 4100 I qouted was with a $250 obx intercooler and 160 bucks in piping from jegs. Bet that pisses in your cheerios even more huh? Hes the REAL kicker, Don bought my kit and I havent even had to pay for it, so Im doing all this defending for free. I sit and stare at my D1 everyday for fun too.

Why do I have to acknowledge them geoff? Im the one who has to prove everyone wrong all the time. Hell with them. Im proving points, and what do you guys come back with? "Heres a car with 14 psi and race gas" Ya and it makes barely makes more if even at all with some of them and peaks the same. Let me run race gas and 20 degree timing at just 10 psi and I will be over 700rwhp. Im not stubborn since Im not the one going after front mounts, you guys kept comparing so I started to research and low and behold I found some interesting things. Now all of a sudden its "Oh those front mount kits are crap" Of course they are geoff...of course they are.

Also do me a favor, Im proven, I have been there and done it, your car is still not built so please dont spout off anymore fictious numbers ok. Go enjoy your PTK kit whenver you get it done and come see me geoff. Face to face. Do me a favor and stop being two faced and just let your real self be known. I wont mind, dont be nice for my sake. If you dont like me then say it.

Your post was also a waste of space. But you love to hear yourself talk so keep on going.

 

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!! I got the kit from STS with there GT70 upgrade. Call slowhawk and get the same deal.