AFR 220's Good Idea for me?
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Originally posted by The Highlander
Well I disagree...
The AFRs have a better deck and will not spit gaskets as much... HAving them out of the box they flow in the 275-280cfm area with a good 80cc port that will flow a lot better than a ported stocker...
If out of the box you mean raw casting. then by all means stay with the stockers and port them.
The reality is that porting a set of stockers is around 1500-1600... So i prefer to spend the money on a better casting... The AFR 210s race ready will run you 1900+shipping and it comes ready to bolt on. Granted you need different springs for a HR and probably retainers but you can order them through TEA and have them exchange those parts...
I would order them via TEA. They quoted me to CNC port a 195 lt4s 2300 complete with parts.. which is not that bad really. They guaranteed 290cfms...
I prefer to spend the money now and wait a little longer till i have the car back, but when i have it will be better than the previous choice.
Well I disagree...
The AFRs have a better deck and will not spit gaskets as much... HAving them out of the box they flow in the 275-280cfm area with a good 80cc port that will flow a lot better than a ported stocker...
If out of the box you mean raw casting. then by all means stay with the stockers and port them.
The reality is that porting a set of stockers is around 1500-1600... So i prefer to spend the money on a better casting... The AFR 210s race ready will run you 1900+shipping and it comes ready to bolt on. Granted you need different springs for a HR and probably retainers but you can order them through TEA and have them exchange those parts...
I would order them via TEA. They quoted me to CNC port a 195 lt4s 2300 complete with parts.. which is not that bad really. They guaranteed 290cfms...
I prefer to spend the money now and wait a little longer till i have the car back, but when i have it will be better than the previous choice.
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If you have the ported castings and money is tight.. save it for the bits and peices...
If you can wait... I would go with the afr 210s... I had afrs 190s... and even though they didn't flow bad... I waited a bit longer and got the 210s... its not like i am rich or something similar, but i skimp on lunch just to go faster
With better heads you will make more power on pump gas.
If you can wait... I would go with the afr 210s... I had afrs 190s... and even though they didn't flow bad... I waited a bit longer and got the 210s... its not like i am rich or something similar, but i skimp on lunch just to go faster
With better heads you will make more power on pump gas.
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Originally posted by The Highlander
If you have the ported castings and money is tight.. save it for the bits and peices...
If you can wait... I would go with the afr 210s... I had afrs 190s... and even though they didn't flow bad... I waited a bit longer and got the 210s... its not like i am rich or something similar, but i skimp on lunch just to go faster
With better heads you will make more power on pump gas.
If you have the ported castings and money is tight.. save it for the bits and peices...
If you can wait... I would go with the afr 210s... I had afrs 190s... and even though they didn't flow bad... I waited a bit longer and got the 210s... its not like i am rich or something similar, but i skimp on lunch just to go faster
With better heads you will make more power on pump gas.
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From: San Juan PR
Call TEA (www.totalengineairflow.com)
they flat out gave me the best price...
the castings are ~800 bare... or so..
they flat out gave me the best price...
the castings are ~800 bare... or so..
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Originally posted by The Highlander
Call TEA (www.totalengineairflow.com)
they flat out gave me the best price...
the castings are ~800 bare... or so..
Call TEA (www.totalengineairflow.com)
they flat out gave me the best price...
the castings are ~800 bare... or so..
If you go to AFR's website they list the 210's bare for $1014 for the pair if you download the pricelist PDF at the bottom in the left column.I called MORE Performance yesterday and he didnt belive the price. He told me 2000 for the assembled heads, or 1900 for them bare. i was like WTF, 100 discount for no valvetrain???
I am looking to spend between 1000-1200 bucks unported castings (which will have to be used for that money).
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Originally posted by The Highlander
Forget MORE!!! call tea
bares are 900 BOTH!!!!!! more or less...
Forget MORE!!! call tea
bares are 900 BOTH!!!!!! more or less...
If I were to get a set of AFR's ported then I would either talk to Phil at Advanced Induction or Brett at BAuer.
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Well, I am going to be getting AFR LT4 210's. I will have them ported not by AFR. My question is, do any of my valvetrain components/geometry change? Can i use the stock size push rods, etc.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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