Odd lockup on converter
Odd lockup on converter
Here's a strange one. Start up in the morning and the torque converter locks up in in all the right places. After the car warms up and I take an extended highway trip the converter will not lock up at cruise speeds (any speed where the converter SHOULD lock). If I accelerate lightly, say 55 to 65mph the converter will lock...then unlock when I maintain speed again. And then (there's always a "and then") after cruising for about 45min to about an hour the converter will fail to lock even under light to moderate acceleration as it did before. Any ideas? A neighbor who used to be a tranny mechanic suggested a seal on the input shaft. I'd like a few more answers/suggestions/myths before I go tearing into this thing. I have a TH700R4 lying around as well. Are any parts swappable?
The car: 93 Formula. Bone stock with roughly 136,000mi. I bought the car roughly 2000mi ago and the previous owner kept every service record. As far as I know no service has been done to the transmission except fluid/filter changes.
The car: 93 Formula. Bone stock with roughly 136,000mi. I bought the car roughly 2000mi ago and the previous owner kept every service record. As far as I know no service has been done to the transmission except fluid/filter changes.
Re: Odd lockup on converter
It sounds like a TCC lock up solinoid (Torque Converter Clutch) and I do believe that the famous TH700R4 is NOT one of the trannys that the TCC solinoid can be changed just by dropping the pan. Also it very well could be a torque converter it self but i wouldnt think so. A way to find out if its the TCC solinoid is to find the vehicle speed sensor and unplug it and see if it stops, you will get a check engine light when you do this, but if it stops doin it dont keep it unplugged for a long time ie (a couple of months) because it can cause excessive heat within the trans, but a day or two shouldnt hurt anything to see what it does.
Re: Odd lockup on converter
The fact that it starts to fail as the tranny heats would lead me to lean more towards a seal. More heat...fluid begins to thin out a bit. I dunno. Keep the suggestions coming. I plan on pulling the unit out and replacing the clutch packs anyway. Maybe even throw in a shift kit while I'm at it. I don't like to do the same crap more than once so just throw your suggestions out here. If someone thinks it's a solenoid I'll replace it. If someone else thinks it's a converter I'll swap it out.
Re: Odd lockup on converter
I had the exact same problem with my 4L60E and it was computer related, so in your case won't apply being you have a 700R4. I though I would still share my problem for any others out there that are having a similar problem.
The torque converter would lock up and unlock randomly as you described at many different speeds. I checked the mechanical parts as mentioned in previous posts like the TCC solenoid and a sensor, don't remember which one. My problem turned out to be the computer was picking up a miss or random cylinder misfire, which I didn't have because the car ran very well and a scanner showed no miss. I talked with Bryan at PCMforless and said it was a common problem on LS1 cars with larger cams but very rare on cammed LT1s. He desensitized a parameter in a certain table, I don't know which one, and it fixed the problem. The torque converter locked up flawlessly the remainder of the trannys days.
This took me about a years worth of headaches to finally find. I was ready to take the tranny out and send the tq converter back to be checked.
The torque converter would lock up and unlock randomly as you described at many different speeds. I checked the mechanical parts as mentioned in previous posts like the TCC solenoid and a sensor, don't remember which one. My problem turned out to be the computer was picking up a miss or random cylinder misfire, which I didn't have because the car ran very well and a scanner showed no miss. I talked with Bryan at PCMforless and said it was a common problem on LS1 cars with larger cams but very rare on cammed LT1s. He desensitized a parameter in a certain table, I don't know which one, and it fixed the problem. The torque converter locked up flawlessly the remainder of the trannys days.
This took me about a years worth of headaches to finally find. I was ready to take the tranny out and send the tq converter back to be checked.
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