Look man, I am not trying to start a fight with you about anything. I myself am the chief inspector at an aircraft repair shop and deal with people that have others do poor work for them because it "saved them money" and end up having to come to me to fix it. However I just tell them what I will need to do to fix it, not tell them how if they weren't so damn cheap they wouldn't have had this problem. I only want to fix this, I am not questioning your skill, just asking if there are any specific things I can check to see what I am up against. So far other than the post you just made all of the information that I got came from other people offering constructive advise on what may be wrong and how to check it. I have been told to pull the pan and look for clutch material, I will do that this weekend. I have been told it may be the servos. Now your telling me that the 3-4 load release springs could be a problem. This is the kind of stuff people come on here to find out. I am not hard headed, if I was I wouldn't be asking questions on how to fix it. I just don't need to be constantly reminded that had I gotten it rebuilt at your shop it would have been right. What I need to know is what can I do to troubleshoot this so that when I call the people that did build it I don't get screwed more. I apologize if you feel like I was attacking you, that was not my intention. I ask people that know what they are doing because I do not, if I did I would have just built the damned thing myself.

 

Your 3rd accumulator is in the back of the servo. Using a billet servo blocks the accumulator. An accumulator is a cushion that 's purpose is to delay the shift. It's simply a void that needs to be filled before full pressure can be passed on to the 3-4 clutches. You've already mentioned that you're not sure about your band anchor. Yes, a billet 2nd servo will rip a stock band anchoer out. This means you can't just throw a billet servo in it. I have, however, already warned you that the Kevlar band will burn up quickly, anyway. It would be best to go back and change them both. Unfortunately, this requires taking the transmission back out.
3-4 "load release springs" are springs that GM installed in the 3-4 to force the top and bottom pressure plates apart when the clutches aren't applied. Their theory was that the clutches try to centrifugally lock at high RPM's. We leave these springs out of EVERY rebuild we do. Pressure just can't overcome these springs quick enough, which causes a 2-3 delay in most applications.
You're fighting either one ot both of these issues.

Frank
CPT

 

Taking the transmission out is not a problem, if thats what has to be done then so be it. Is there anyway to identify the band without removing it? like can you see enough of it to take a guess at what it is when the servos are removed? I ask because the website of the people that built it claim that it is a "kevlar band" but when I spoke to the guy the actually built it on the phone he says he only uses Alto bands in them.

 

You can perhaps tell as some band will have some identification writing on the back side and you may be able to tell with the pan off since you can see a small area of the band , You can certainly determine if the band is a wide band or not just take a snap shot of the area where you can see the band with pan off and let one of us see it. If its the wide band it will have the reinforced anchor area , But still most important is to see whats in the pan if theres already alot of gray material then you will be allready beating a dead horse.

 

Awsome thanks guys, I will be pulling the pan this weekend or sooner if I get some free time at work.

 

Alto makes both wide Kevlar lined bands, and red lined bands. We use the Alto Red lined wide bands.
As already explainbed, you'll be able to tell if it's a wide band, just by pulling the pan. You'll see the band, just above the manual linkage.

Frank
CPT

 

So I guess I am screwed...






Well, if anyone has any suggestions on what I should say to the people who sold me this I would love to hear your diagnosis.

 

Somethings definitely coming apart. BTW, it's not a wide band.

Frank
CPT

 

Looks about what mine looked like. Burnt 2-4 band/3-4 cluches in the pan FTL! As for what your going to Say to the people that sold you the Tranny, Tell Them to give you your money Back And then send it to Frank!

 

Yeah I know it's not a wide band....does anyone even make a kevlar band that is stock width? I need ammo against these guys, I have a feeling I am going to have to get AMEX to reverse the charges to get my $$ back.

 

Usually a kevlar band will say kevlar on the lining. But agreed you have definite issues there. As for reversing charges with AMEX first you will need to return the unit , Now if this is the first time and they ae willing to fix it then you will likley have to follow through with them before AMEX will be willing to file a claim unfortunately. Good luck and holler if you need anything ,