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Old Oct 21, 2006 | 06:19 PM
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Important Clutch Question! Please Help Fast!

Trying to get my car back togther by monday, Had to take the tranny down three times after unsuccefully being able to get it to go completely flush w/ the bellhousing. There is always a 1/4 gap.

The thing that was wierd about my new clutch (ram powergrip) was that it has the puck type material on one side, the side which does not have the metal diamtere which comes about about 1/2 an inch. So I had to put the side w/ the pucks on the pp side (since the the metal peice which pops out would hit the pp springs)

For example look at this picture:
http://static.summitracing.com/globa...am-98730_w.jpg

See how there are pucks on that side and the metal peice in the center comes out? My clutch is the opposite where there are pucks on one side and the metal peice comes out on the other side. I belive this is accounting for that extra 1/4 inch since the splines on the tranny input shaft are running out of room to go.

Anyone ever had a clutch which had pucks which were on the pp side?
This is a picture of the exact clutch which has the inside metal thing coming out on the pp side, wouldnt this interfere w/ the pp?
Old Oct 21, 2006 | 06:44 PM
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Re: Important Clutch Question! Please Help Fast!

Might want to post this in the drivetrain section.
Old Oct 21, 2006 | 07:04 PM
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YEah really. Some clutches are machined closer to the trans to avoid shimming of the Slave CYL. I had to suck mine in the rest of the way w/ the bolts. Went in no problem.
Old Oct 21, 2006 | 10:04 PM
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sounds like the clutch fork is in the way. make sure thats pulled out. also make sure the input shaft is going in perfectly straight in the pilot bushing.
Old Oct 21, 2006 | 10:05 PM
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I know the clutch fork is fine, and we took the trans down twice to make sure the clutch was aligned fine w/ the pilot bearings.. We shook and pusshed the hell out of the trans trying to get it to go in...no go. Should I really try pushing it in w/ bolts? That sounds like a bad idea.
Old Oct 21, 2006 | 10:36 PM
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ive pulled the trans in with bolts before. sometimes its what it needs, sometimes youll mess something up...its risky. i would take the pressureplate/clutch apart again and bolt everything back together with the alignment tool just to be safe. make sure youre torque the pressure plate in a star pattern and to spec to make sure the clutch doesnt slip down after you pull out the alignment tool. never hurts to double check things.
Old Oct 22, 2006 | 08:21 AM
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Re: Important Clutch Question! Please Help Fast!

Originally Posted by Jazsun

The thing that was wierd about my new clutch (ram powergrip) was that it has the puck type material on one side, the side which does not have the metal diamtere which comes about about 1/2 an inch. So I had to put the side w/ the pucks on the pp side (since the the metal peice which pops out would hit the pp springs)

For example look at this picture:
http://static.summitracing.com/globa...am-98730_w.jpg

See how there are pucks on that side and the metal peice in the center comes out? My clutch is the opposite where there are pucks on one side and the metal peice comes out on the other side. I belive this is accounting for that extra 1/4 inch since the splines on the tranny input shaft are running out of room to go.

the metal diameter you are refering too, is supposed to go on the pressure plate side, that metal diameter will not interfere with the pressure plate spring

if your saying the wrong friction material is on that side (as compared to your photo) contact the clutch manufacturer to verify if its correct

but right now i think you have the clutch disc on backwards

don't put your tranny in by tightening the bolts
at least not right now
if you force your tranny on with the bolts when it simply can not, you will break the ears off the trany, big problem

if you are having trouble intalling the transmission after you installed the clutch it may be due to the clearance between in the tip of the input shaft and the pilot bearing, in which case you can do what i did

i put my tranny on as far as i could by hand, then i hand threaded all the tranny bolts as far as i could, so at least the tranny wont come out now, then i just kept wiggling the tranny and tightening the bolts by hand until it came flush


DON'T PUT THE TRANNY ON BY TIGHTENING THE BOLTS UNLESS YOU ARE SURE THERE ARE NO INTEREFERENCE ISSUES
Old Oct 22, 2006 | 10:15 AM
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Re: Important Clutch Question! Please Help Fast!

In this picture(which is newer and the pp is what I have, not like in the other one)

: The image of the clutch I have is reversed. As in the black material (non puck) is on the side which the hub extends. I am pretty s ure that the pucks are always suppose to be on the flywheel side. It seems like mine was reversed somehow. Its not possible to put the side w/ the hub out on the pressure plate side as it will interfere w/ the springs and t/o bearing. That side is suppose to go on the flywheel side where in the indent in the flywheel is made to accept it.

Anyways I got too pissed after dropping the trans twice to realign which I thought was the problem, so went out to autozone to buy their clutch, put it in. Trans went in just fine.

For some reason my powergrip which the friction surfaces were flipped somehow just wouldnt work 100%. Think its defective?

Last edited by Jazsun; Oct 22, 2006 at 10:18 AM.
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