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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 01:54 AM
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Still cant hook up

Okay i'm starting to get pissed off, lol. I cant seem to hook up at all, i started a few weeks ago with my MT ET street radials trying 18-15psi, that didn't really work, i went back a week later and tried 18-24 psi, still no luck and pretty much the exact same 60' times, and then i went out tonight. I started at 26 psi and tried 24 a few times went down to 18 then back up to 26. No matter what my psi is from 15-26 i am spining quite a bit off the line and getting a 60' of 1.9-2.1. I have tried staging at about 2k rpm, 1k rpm, and idle. I have tried stabing the throttle right to WOT and holding it, i have tried rolling into the throttle. It seems to be pushing the tail slightly right off the line, i know i should get new springs with an airbag in the right, then straightening out on hooking up past the 60'. It seems that with every change i make be it psi or launching technique it seems to have no difference on my times. The last time i was at the track the DA was about 4000' it was 100* F out side and i was hitting 1.9-2.1 60's for a 13.4-13.5 run. Tonight it was 55*f out side and i was hitting 1.9-2.2 60's for a 13.3-13.6 run. Besides magically finding some money for some suspension work, or ditching the 4.10's for some 3.73's i dont know what to do. I also was running about the same numbers on a 18" super hard street tire as i am with these MT ET street radials, i did pick up these ET's used (supposedly had only 2 passes on them) but the tread looks great and they seem fine. I also marked them to be sure they weren't slipping on the rim, and they are not. Any thoughts? or just try to scrape up some $$ for springs and suspension? Im doing a nice burnout too, bringing the rpms up to about 3k in 2nd gear, holding it till the rpms drop then feathering the brake gets descently smoky

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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 09:18 AM
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It'll take some suspension to get it to hook. Thats why I did my suspension first, the stock suspension couldn't plant the stock power level to the ground.
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 09:27 AM
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get a spare set of rims 15" your not going to make a 18" rim hook with a low profile tire.....
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 12:34 PM
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I went back to your other post, what did you set the pinion angle to?
did you take the sway bar off?

make a complete list of suspension improvements so the others will know what you have
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 01:37 PM
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woops sorry forgot to throw that info in there, okay it is my 94z it is an A4 car, supposedly the trans has had a performance rebuild to it, i dont know it is how i got it. The tires are 255/50/16's on stock transam rims (they were the biggest i could get the larger ones were on national backorder). As far as the burnout goes i am getting the back tires in the water box, just on the edge of it, bringing the rpms up to about 3k in 2nd gear and holding it untill the rpms start to drop off and it starts to get smokey, then feathering off the break while rolling up toward the line. And for the suspension so far i have just done the LCA's and relocation brackets and panhard bar. The rear end is a 4.10 posi. What do you think i should be looking at next for suspension drag springs with an airbag in the right, or an adjustable torque arm? Sorry i accidently started a new thread so i have tried to answer all the questions in both and i guess we'll just use this one. Thanks everyone
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 03:19 PM
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I had the drag springs last year. I personal wouldn't buy another set of them. I pulled 1.31 60' times on the factory struts. I would remove the front swaybar. With a time in the mid 13's you shouldn't be having traction problems with an auto. but at the same time you won't have the power to pull more then a 1.7 or 1.8 sixty. As far as the burn out I always bring the r's up to about 6000 in drive. I don't think you will have to do that but you will have to rev the motor a little higher in second. How is the track prep? Are you going on a decent day? At the local track here they do some things to bring in a bunch of street cars and the track never holds much.

You may want to look for some r series single adjustable shocks. The doubles would be better but this time of the year I would bet you could find a good price on a used set of shocks. Because someone else will be wanting to upgrade. A good torque arm is needed but I don't think it will help you unless your getting some wheel hoop. A set of 15" dr's will work better then the 16" ones. But at the same time my car would pull 1.6's on the sixteens running low 12's high 11's, a few years ago.
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 03:40 PM
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put 16# in the tires and burn the hell out of them until you get some thick white smoke.

there is no way a car at that power level should overpower that tire.
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 03:49 PM
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i think your 60 ft times are about right considering you dont have a stall. try removing the front sway bar and running about 13 - 15 pounds, launch of idle.
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 04:07 PM
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torque arm
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mdacton
put 16# in the tires and burn the hell out of them until you get some thick white smoke.

there is no way a car at that power level should overpower that tire.
i know that it shouldn't overpower the tire, but this screen shot from the video was running 17lbs with the track nicely preped for a TV event, i'm doing a nice smokey burnout and still ended up spinning off the line giving me a 1.88 60', the next pass i brought it all the way up to 24lbs and got a 1.89 60', then i tried 15lbs and 1.90 60', i tried going as low as 11lbs on another day and had about the same results

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you think its just not transfering the weight corrrectly, i know it feels like it pushes the rear to the right off the line
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by evilbeef54
you think its just not transfering the weight corrrectly, i know it feels like it pushes the rear to the right off the line
Yes, I think this is correct. Remove front swaybar, used adjustable fronts, and adjustable torque arm.
I don't know about the 16" dr's, but my 315/17 dr's were useless, with stock power level, until I got a suspension on the car.

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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 05:45 PM
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okay, thanks, what do you think about the summit adjustable drag shocks, they are supposed to be just like the CE ones, and i really like the price, lol. I'm definatly working on a tight budget and really want to start work on the 72, you also think to do the torque arm before the springs, i definatly will only be able to do one for now
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 05:56 PM
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what do you guys think about this TQ arm? Good, Bad, is there something else i should be looking at around the same price, if so why a different one?

http://www.umiperformance.com/2202?category_id=130
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 05:57 PM
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A used set of adjustable front shocks is the way to go for now. Then an adjustable torque arm.
Old Dec 14, 2008 | 05:58 PM
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Theres nothing wrong with that arm. It even allows you to adjust the IC a little with two mounting points at the front of it.



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