Well, we have had over 2 years to try and get there.....

 

lol , same car and parts, different day

Sar2K sat the bar pretty high, 2yrs is a pretty long time

 

All this talk about a Bolt on record makes another BO holder want to run a stock motor....Russ is tossing around the idea of putting in a stock motor, his car is a good bit lighter now too so I dont see that is a problem but he is pretty deep into his other engine so getting him in a stocker is going to be touch, might just pull mine and put in his car...that would be too fun!!

 

Sounds good, heck if we get enough guys running for this ,just set a date , and we can all meet at one track. Didn't Russ win last time? Bolt-on record holder defending his title... But if he is using your motor what are you gona race? Is your daily driver bolt-on class ready?

Later

 

This thread makes me wonder if this is a goal I should try to shoot for.. BTW, what would really be needed to get there? If I remeber Steve had 1.72 RR's would those be absolutly neccessary? I already bought 1.6's, how much would the power difference between the 2 be?

 

NOt real sure on dyno number for the rockers, but if you cant match the time you might consider upgrading to the 1.7's

 

Just out of curiosity, how do you get the hp ratings with just bolt-ons in your sig? I'm just curious, hell, my LT4 car would probably be real lucky to push those #s.

Good luck w/your quest, but as the list(s) have been going for years now, I lost all interest in the lists, as too many rules or specifics keep getting added to basically include whatever the person has on their ride to accommodate a record of some sort. Back in 2000, I can tell you this, especially in SoCal, there were few, if any, LT1's with just "bolt-ons" outrunning my stock-weight Z. But then again, that was a full 5 years ago, lol...

Lemme guess, bolts ons now allows 12bolt rears, full-suspension, weight reductions of all kinds, roller rockers (not a bolt-on really as its internal) etc... I have stock hood, wheels, all seats, carpet, floormats, misc junk in trunk, yadda,

Just bustin' your ballz, good luck, that's a tough time to beat regardless, still haven't figured out how it's done a full second quicker w/the same dang engine, but good luck.

 

Thanks for the compliments, you are right. Most LT4 cammed cars are lucky to put down 330hp. It just shows you what all the little stuff will add up too.
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Well 12bolts weigh more so not sure how that is a bonus. Suspension is apart of drag racing, anything you can do to get a 60'.. Even if you have to put an auto in it. Weight reduction is a gray line. The records were set with some weight reduction pulled, BUT not stripped. They also had A/C and power stearing. Since no one is keeping track of these rules its pretty much left up to you and the guy that posts the times on the lists. Rockers are accepted for LT1's, thanks to GMHP. Everyone else has pretty much accepted this as well. The cars would be a little bit slower with out them.

Thanks for the support. H-town is 24hrs away. 11.93 or bust

 

Best of luck with that, and you got the car flying, but seriously, I don't wanna come out sounding offensive to you, but you sure you don't have a cam or ported heads? I don't think my real LT4 Hawk would lay those numbers on the dyno, and still can't figure how any bolt on would add up to those numbers when baseline is right around the 245-260rwhp area. I know w/longtubes, !smog and other things, along with a really nice tune you can squeeze some power out of one, but I believe madz28 only got in the 315rwhp range with an LT4 car. That's why I'm inquiring about this. I think it's absolutely amazing if it's a true bolt-on car clicking 11's, but just from a personal experience, it took a lot to run high 12's out of mine, and that isn't by any means the be-all end-all to running quicker than normal on just bolt-ons, but over the years I've been trying to fathom how running a full second quicker, when some are barely squeaking by on those times w/100 shots, is amazing to me. I hope to get new dyno numbers soon on the Z before I swap engines, but I can tell ya with full bolt-ons I only mustered a tad over 290 at the rears. out of 3 pulls, the average was 289.6rwhp with torque right at 335-338.

I am 100% impressed with those times regardless, and this isn't to sound in any way that your accomplishment isn't amazing, but comparitively, I hope to run high-mid 11's w/AFR 195cc LT4 heads w/58cc chambers, 1.6rr's, ported LT4 intake, LT4HC, tuning, 30lb inj/58mm tb, Kook stepped longtubes, !cat, !smog, 6-speed w/4.11's in a Moser 12, full weight (ie, seats, stock k-member, hood, ac). Along w/the usual bolt-on assortment. I may over-shoot my goal a tad, but honestly, I am not expecting to, and it seems to be on par w/what others are running now. I know there are others that posted an 11 on bolt-ons, but those horsepower numbers seem awfully high for what you can tune based on the cam profile, lift, airflow etc on an LT1.

For instance, most claim that cam (LT4HC) is a bad choice for those heads, mainly because it does not produce the power of say, the XE 224/230 or larger, or even the cc305/306. When discussed as opposed to the stock LT1 cam, the only thing I can think of that is going to build anywhere close to that in power is parasistic losses, less reciprocating mass, or internal mods, be it lighter parts (less mass), the sweetest of all tunes, or very very light.

 

Russ was the BO winner at the shootout.
My DD is a Buick LeSabre, but my 'race car' will be bolt on bastard for a while!!!
If he has my motor I will pull the car with the truck!

 

To be honest, with a stock cam the difference between 1.6's and 1.7 would be minimal at best. I've actually sold the 1.7's earlier this year, so if I buy another stock engine I'll just be running the stock rockers... I don't want to pull too much $$$ away from the big motor build up. I'm still looking for an old crate shortblock to buy... I'm doing my best not to buy a complete LT1 assembly from GM... $4k+.
Steve...

 

Uh oh, we got us a true player...this will be fun!!

 

You boys dont want me to get serious in this game now do you. I'll sneak up on ya and be the first in the 11's if we make it worth my while. Lets try to get GMHTP involved again...I think there would enough interest there and it would make heck of a shootout. SAR2K do you know how we can set it up?

 

Russ has been nosing around for a motor....he probably could take it on his first runs at a track.....

 

Maybe but its gonna be harder then you think. The closer to summer the worse the DA will be. It will be interesting tho..how much lighter is Russ now since the time he ran the 12.34?v....een if he is 200lbs! that would equate to approx. .2tenths putting him at 12.14...and if he gets some better traction maybe lo low 12's yea he'll beat roadtrip but most likely wont be in the 11's...till he gets some better air....My car's raceweight is 3505...if we get serious about some competition I'll have it weighing close to 3400 in a hurry...I'm still running with the bumper supports stock k member, shocks etc...there is still a ton of weight mods for my car to be done.