VE tables tuning, please explain
Re: VE tables tuning, please explain
Originally Posted by juiced_lt1
If the ve tables are used in maf mode, what do they measure, or how are they used? Also, what does the pcm use if the MAF goes bad? How will it know how much air is coming in? It's got map, rpm, and air temp, but no maf readings...aka, speed density mode. Ever tuned a speed density car? They rely solely on the ve table.
If you take both of your o2's out of the bungs and let them sit outside, and you run your car for 5 minutes, your ltft's will go to 160, causing you to run PIG rich. Now lets say you get on the road, and punch it, with both ltft's at 160, do you suppose it'll kick into open loop and run fine at WOT? No. It's because the pcm DOES use the ltft's at WOT, and WOT is not OPEN LOOP. WOT simply locks the stft at 128 which locks the ltft's. And remember, when you flash you pcm, your stft and ltft blm's reset to 128, which can change a/f, which is why your car prolly changed a/f ratio's on the dyno.
If you take both of your o2's out of the bungs and let them sit outside, and you run your car for 5 minutes, your ltft's will go to 160, causing you to run PIG rich. Now lets say you get on the road, and punch it, with both ltft's at 160, do you suppose it'll kick into open loop and run fine at WOT? No. It's because the pcm DOES use the ltft's at WOT, and WOT is not OPEN LOOP. WOT simply locks the stft at 128 which locks the ltft's. And remember, when you flash you pcm, your stft and ltft blm's reset to 128, which can change a/f, which is why your car prolly changed a/f ratio's on the dyno.
Re: VE tables tuning, please explain
Originally Posted by TriPinTaZ
Like I said before, MY CAR repsonds to VE table changes and it is a 1997 OBD2 Trans-Am. I cannot vouch for ANYONE ELSES car and what it will or will not respond to.
obd1 does as well. ive put that to the test.
Re: VE tables tuning, please explain
Originally Posted by juiced_lt1
(maf gms)/(rpm x 8 x cyl. vol.) = Volumetric Efficiency
Originally Posted by juiced_lt1
The VE of a system is a measure of the volume of space displaced by the cylinders for a given time against how much air actually passes through the maf. I don't see why you'd use the ve tables if you knew the rpm, vol of each cylinder, # of cyl, gms of air through the maf, and air temp (for density). That's what calculates the real time VE.
It wouldn't make sense to use a table if you could get a REAL number.
There is more calculation done by pcm to utilize the MAF input, than when the SD mode of air measurement is used. The reason SD is more responsive.
Originally Posted by juiced_lt1
...but what does carcraft know
...(and other PAID tuners for that matter)
Some are very knowledgeable, some are paid more than their efforts/results are worth. Next thing you'll tell us, all doctors are equal in terms of benefit they give to their patients.
BTW, there appears to have been minor alterations in pcm code to allow the VE tables to play a more active roll in the A/F calculations in pcm(s) of OBDII vehicles.
Last edited by arnie; Jul 23, 2004 at 12:02 PM.
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