Tuning closed loop idle
Re: Tuning closed loop idle
Ohh thats nothing, thats just to get into closed loop faster, before if most didn't notice, if your car is warmed up but off & you start the car up, it would take some time to get into closed loop? Well thats cuz there is a timer, but another variable that adds to the timing is vehicle speed, if most didn't notice, if you move your car it gets into closed loop faster then if you seat there & wait, thats all. Once its in though thats it.
Matt.
Matt.
Re: Tuning closed loop idle
Originally Posted by bunker
Ohh thats nothing, thats just to get into closed loop faster, before if most didn't notice, if your car is warmed up but off & you start the car up, it would take some time to get into closed loop? Well thats cuz there is a timer, but another variable that adds to the timing is vehicle speed, if most didn't notice, if you move your car it gets into closed loop faster then if you seat there & wait, thats all. Once its in though thats it.
Matt.
Matt.
stock setting is .9 mph should you set it to 0 and that way it wouldnt matter if your moving or sitting still right.
Re: Tuning closed loop idle
Any progress in getting short terms to behave in PE idle? I was dorking around this weekend with my CC306 flash and I'm sort of at the same place you guys are. Trims head toward the moon in PE idle and the eyes start burning. I'm running WB's in both sides and watching Datamaster as well. For some reason I always thought learning was totaly disabled while in PE. Oh yea I'm running BLM blocker also. We need a Short term blocker also
Steve
Steve
Re: Tuning closed loop idle
BLM integrator is also known as Strim or Short trims in current terminology. The INT's are the fine tune for the Ltrims. The INT/Strim's count towards a richer or leaner fuel trimming from 128 to whatever their min/ max is set to then the Ltrimis decreased/ increased by one. The INTs then goes back to 128 and starts trimming again. The INTs move very quickly and can basically be thought of like a fraction of the BLMs.
I wouldn't alter their Min/ Maxes for any reason that I can think of since they're so small on the scale of fuel trimming.
Hope that makes sense,
-Christian
I wouldn't alter their Min/ Maxes for any reason that I can think of since they're so small on the scale of fuel trimming.
Hope that makes sense,
-Christian
My WB and Datamaster tests show that the STFT's are not just small corrections or fractions of a BLM at all. It seems that a 150 STFT increases injector PW by a full 17% just like the math would suggest. IE STFTs are not really "small on the scale of fuel trimming" Anybody else see the same thing?
Steve
Re: Tuning closed loop idle
Originally Posted by SABLT194
Any progress in getting short terms to behave in PE idle? I was dorking around this weekend with my CC306 flash and I'm sort of at the same place you guys are. Trims head toward the moon in PE idle and the eyes start burning. I'm running WB's in both sides and watching Datamaster as well. For some reason I always thought learning was totaly disabled while in PE. Oh yea I'm running BLM blocker also. We need a Short term blocker also
Steve
Steve
you can not run wide band o2s on your car, for the computer to use, it wont know what to do with them, you need to put the stockers back in. your pcm has no idea what its doing with those wide band o2s in there.
theres a way to lock your short term but thats not your problem your o2s are
Trims head toward the moon in PE idle
you have to remember that the o2s are always going to respond, anytime the cars on even on start up. in open loop but the pcm ignores them, just as it does in pe mode they are reading the o2 in the exhaust but they are drop out of the loop and there values are ignored.
Re: Tuning closed loop idle
Sorry, I must not have been clear in my post. I'm still running stock O2's and feeding the stock NB voltage to the PCM. I am monitoring AFR on both banks via my TE Widebands. I am running a closed loop program, but have the PE RPM Vs TPS table set to force PE at idle RPM. I also have WOT BLM locker in my file as well. The locker is working and holding LTFTs at 128. But, since my MAF calibration file and PE table is set to force a leaner idle than 14.7 AFR according to the the stock O2's, the STFTs head skyward. I am watching all this unfold on my WB's and Datamaster. If I run 17 or 18 AFR at idle on the WBs the rich smell cleans up. As said before, NB and WB readings are really kinda garbage at idle on high overlap cammed cars. Just need to figure out a way to either control the maximum STFTs to about 132 or better yet figure out a way to force OL at idle.
Hope that makes a little more sense
Steve
Hope that makes a little more sense
Steve



, that one is for a 91 - 93 C/K Truck, Van, 5.7L & 7.4L (HD)