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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 12:06 AM
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Please, help with knock. TTS data attached

How would i go about fixing the knock issue i have.
1994 Camaro Z28 LT1
MSD cap/rotor
MSD 8.5mm "super conductor" wires
MSD blaster coil
Transformabuilt L2 w/ 2800 Stall
SLP Cold air intake w/ K&N filters
NGK Tr55-IX @ .043
cat-back dual magnaflow exhaust

The knock sencer is fairly new.
original km

i get SR from 0.1 to 6.9deg.


map: 100.4
SR: 6.9D
RPM: 4600

MAP:100.8
SR:5.4D
RPM:4750

74
4423-4439
5153
5162-5282
5538-5560
5586-5597
5628-5675
5906-5963
6553-6690
7418-7568
7784-7819
8541-8601
9600-9670
10266-10318
10640-10643

what exact values should i change in C.A.T.S and to what. I dont want to mess things up.
Thank you everyone for helping out!

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YB21A7OO

will upload another if anyone thinks they need another one w/ the car doing something else. I didnt go WOT alot, freaking CA traffic. Would that be better to examin?

Should i just get the lt4 KM?
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 01:12 PM
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Hate to say it but I chased this similar problem. I tried dropping timing up to 10* w/o any results, I enriched up my PE fueling again no help. Finally I bit the bullet and put an LT4 KM. Your timing is good 33* at 4600, 100 MAP , you are in PE mode, maybe a little lean (130 BLM in cell 15) but not bad at all. Then the knock starts and pulls 6* off your timing. With my new LT4 KM I can pull 36* at this setting w/o any knock. You can try dropping the timing in 5* increments accross the top end and see if the knock goes away. If it does then increase it back up till it comes back. I assume you are running 91 or better octane..
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bobdec
Hate to say it but I chased this similar problem. I tried dropping timing up to 10* w/o any results, I enriched up my PE fueling again no help. Finally I bit the bullet and put an LT4 KM. Your timing is good 33* at 4600, 100 MAP , you are in PE mode, maybe a little lean (130 BLM in cell 15) but not bad at all. Then the knock starts and pulls 6* off your timing. With my new LT4 KM I can pull 36* at this setting w/o any knock. You can try dropping the timing in 5* increments accross the top end and see if the knock goes away. If it does then increase it back up till it comes back. I assume you are running 91 or better octane..
91 octane only. I own two of thes both w/ the same mods n never ran any lower gas.
you say top end, where would this start? 4000 and higher? all at 100MAP?

Im thinking w/out messing with timings im going to spend the 70-80 on a lt4 KM.

It might be from my exhause at the crossmember past the cat. It was vibrating a bunch when in drive so i grabed a jack n wedged it upwards. It helped but now the vibration is right on my butt. hah!

Im in sacramento CA untill friday...anyone around here carry it so i dont need it shipped so i could get it before i leave??
Old Mar 11, 2009 | 09:56 AM
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I would start drop timing in the range of 85-100 MAP and 2400-7000 RPM boxes in the main and extended timing tables. Your trace showed PE at 4600 and 100 MAP, but you can enter PE at lower RPM's depending on TPS%. I am running 35-38* across those ranges, but I have a 160* T-Stat and fans set for 175/185 turn-on. Real knock can be fixed by lower compression ratio, higher fuel octane, richer fuel mixture, reduced timing, cooler combustion temps. Timing, T-Stat/Fans and fuel octane and fixing a lean mixture are all you can really change easily..If you drop timing, run good fuel and trace shows a good AFR and it still knocks chances are it's false.
Old Mar 11, 2009 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bobdec
I would start drop timing in the range of 85-100 MAP and 2400-7000 RPM boxes in the main and extended timing tables. Your trace showed PE at 4600 and 100 MAP, but you can enter PE at lower RPM's depending on TPS%. I am running 35-38* across those ranges, but I have a 160* T-Stat and fans set for 175/185 turn-on. Real knock can be fixed by lower compression ratio, higher fuel octane, richer fuel mixture, reduced timing, cooler combustion temps. Timing, T-Stat/Fans and fuel octane and fixing a lean mixture are all you can really change easily..If you drop timing, run good fuel and trace shows a good AFR and it still knocks chances are it's false.
Thank you.
I have a 160* stat aswell as the fans to come on early too.
this is the bin i just pulled from the car a fiew days ago.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=W19KZ0VM
Also, the awkward lean/rich you noticed, most likly came from the descreened MAFs that was on the car.
Old Mar 12, 2009 | 09:50 PM
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Id say thats false knock your timing table are mostly stock except for where you lowered it to 30@100kpa. Im having the same problem, probly due to my longtubes and roller rockers. I wired in a switch to disable the knock sensor but the car runs rich when the knock sensor is deactivated. I cant figure it out?
Old Mar 17, 2009 | 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by pyro719
Id say thats false knock your timing table are mostly stock except for where you lowered it to 30@100kpa. Im having the same problem, probly due to my longtubes and roller rockers. I wired in a switch to disable the knock sensor but the car runs rich when the knock sensor is deactivated. I cant figure it out?
Lowered it? I havnt touched the config. Only thing i done was the shifting in C.A.T.S (automated using the wheel shifting calc.) and the fan settings...
Old Mar 18, 2009 | 10:36 AM
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Pyro.. what resistance resistor did you use in your bypass switch, I'm wondering if the PCM detected missing KS and is throwing you into some sort of failsafe mode. Any codes ?
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