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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 02:30 PM
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couple questions about stereo

alright guys, well i have a 2 channel jbl amp, amping the front 2 door speakers. it sounded fine, however one speaker blew out. can someone tell me what size the stock speakers are? and what would you suggest for a cheap, good sounding speaker in a fair price range. id like it to sound similar or a little better then stock. thanks
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 03:55 PM
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Stock door speakers are 6.75". Also called oversized 6.5".
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 03:55 PM
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6.5" fit perfectly

I have Infinity Kappas, but others have suggested Polk or Boston Acoustics as well

Basically any 6.5" that sounds good to you and meets the power requirements of your amp
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 04:08 PM
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Basically any 6.5" that sounds good to you and meets the power requirements of your amp
You don't want to meet the power requirements of the amp. That could be why the speaker blew in the first place. You should power a speaker with 1.5 to 2 times the RMS rating. Example: If a speaker is rated for 100 watts, give it 150-200. The most common reason for speaker failure is due to the square waves generated by an amp that is run into clipping.
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 06:32 PM
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You don't want to meet the power requirements of the amp. That could be why the speaker blew in the first place. You should power a speaker with 1.5 to 2 times the RMS rating. Example: If a speaker is rated for 100 watts, give it 150-200. The most common reason for speaker failure is due to the square waves generated by an amp that is run into clipping.
While I agree clipping is definately a cause for failure, it really means you're overpowering your speaker, so you're right getting a speaker that is designed to handle more than the amp is a safety net. BUT, you also need to be careful of underpowering it as well.

Also note that RMS is the general rating of the speaker, not the max it can handle, so if you go with a known manufacturer you don't really have to over-rate your speakers. Polk or Boston Acoustics will have no problem with operating right at the recomended RMS. Even my Infinitys are rated @ 60 RMS, and I power them with a 65 RMS amp without any issue.

This is really as issue if you plan to crank the snot out of the stereo everytime you turn it on, and you have poorly a spec'd speaker/amp setup
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric H
You don't want to meet the power requirements of the amp. That could be why the speaker blew in the first place. You should power a speaker with 1.5 to 2 times the RMS rating. Example: If a speaker is rated for 100 watts, give it 150-200. The most common reason for speaker failure is due to the square waves generated by an amp that is run into clipping.
Almost all of the information you provided is false.

Clipping is caused by pushing the amp past it's capabilities. I see the information you have switched around in your head though..

You think you want a larger amp so you don't underpower your speakers. Underpowering a speaker will never cause it to fail. The reason you want an amp that can output as much or more power than your speakers can handle is because the amp will likely reproduce clean power at the level necessary. It can provide 200 watts...but that doesn't mean you use it all. It just means the 100 watts you give your speakers is likely clean power, since it is well within the limits of the amp.
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:08 PM
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well, i dont know if it helps but on the amp it says 100x2 watts. so knowing how much power its putting out, anyone know of a good specific speaker in my price range?
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 96 Z 28
While I agree clipping is definately a cause for failure, it really means you're overpowering your speaker
Actually, clipping means you have reached the max output of the amp.

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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by fredmr39
Almost all of the information you provided is false.
The information is not false. However, after rereading my post I can see where there could be some confusion.

Summary: if a speaker is rated at 100 watts RMS it should be powered by an amp rated between 150 to 200 watts.

You think you want a larger amp so you don't underpower your speakers. Underpowering a speaker will never cause it to fail. The reason you want an amp that can output as much or more power than your speakers can handle is because the amp will likely reproduce clean power at the level necessary. It can provide 200 watts...but that doesn't mean you use it all. It just means the 100 watts you give your speakers is likely clean power, since it is well within the limits of the amp.
Underpowering a speaker can, and will, cause a speaker to fail if the amp is driven to a clipped output level. As mentioned earlier, the square waves (clip) are the cause of most speaker failures.
I do agree that you want to over power your speakers so that the amp has more headroom and isn't driven to clip. However, most quality speakers can handle much more than their RMS rating. A quality speaker that is rated at 100 watts will handle 200.

P.S. Please forgive any typos, etc in my last two posts. I don't have access to a computer at the moment so I'm forced to use my phone.

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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric H
Underpowering a speaker can, and will, cause a speaker to fail if the amp is driven to a clipped output level. ...
I do agree that you want to over power your speakers so that the amp has more headroom and isn't driven to clip. However, most quality speakers can handle much more than their RMS rating. A quality speaker that is rated at 100 watts will handle 200.
OK, seems like we meant the same. You specifically said before to GIVE the speaker more power than it can handle, but you meant just have an amp capable of producing more power so that when it operates at the recommended power, it likely won't clip.

Just wording it as "Underpowering a speaker can, and will, cause a speaker to fail if the amp is driven to a clipped output level." is a little misleading, since it isn't the under powering itself that causes failure... more "improperly" powering by ignorant users.
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 09:48 AM
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well, i dont know if it helps but on the amp it says 100x2 watts. so knowing how much power its putting out, anyone know of a good specific speaker in my price range?
Using that amp, you won't be able to meet the desired setup discussed above.

However, I would recommend going to a store and listening to a few speakers. Go sample a few and see (hear?) what your ears like.
Everyone has their favorite brand they like to push. Usually, it's the one brand they have owned. Once you have the new speakers installed, be careful to not let them distort. It will prolong the life of your new toys.
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 11:48 AM
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what do you mean dont let then "distort", like distort them by turning the volume up more then they can handle? sorry im a newd here stereos arent my thing haha
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 11:55 AM
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When you listen to your music at a reasonable volume the sound is nice and clean/clear. Distortion is when you turn it up to a volume that cause the audio to crackle.

If the speakers start to crackle or sound not a clean as they did at a lower volume, it is distorting.
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 10:25 PM
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thats what i thought, so you just saying just generally dont turn up the speaker more then they can handle right? gotcha
Old Jan 26, 2008 | 05:30 PM
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Cranked to it's full potential, 100W RMS each speaker inside F-Body = No way you can survive that much midrange / highs without earplugs
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